From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Rob Landley <rob@landley.net>
Cc: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>, Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
Suparna Bhattacharya <suparna@in.ibm.com>,
Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
Subject: Re: What still uses the block layer?
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:46:16 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4713DFA8.6020304@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200710151634.57407.rob@landley.net>
Rob Landley wrote:
> I realize that both views are valid. This is why the US has a house and a
> senate, and filters things through both views. My gripe is that forcing my
> laptop to look at my USB devices to find my SATA hard drive is aligned with
> only one of those viewpoints, and completely opposed to the other.
>
> An approach that makes things much easier on laptops is seen to hurt big iron,
> not because it the approach itself has a direct negative impact on big iron,
> but only because then laptops are not saddled with the problems of big iron.
And we are telling you that, in a modern hotplug world -- yes even on a
laptop -- you are clinging too much to assumptions that were never 100%
true in the first place, and much less so on today's laptops.
When you can unplug a SATA drive from a laptop, and plug it back in via
USB, you can see how unwise it is to hardcode device names into your fstab.
We invented udev, sysfs, mount-by-label, mount-by-uuid, LVM and all
sorts of other gadgets to make this problem go away.
If you ignore the solutions that exist to solve these problems, then of
course annoyances will persist as the state of hardware marches forward.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-10-15 21:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-10-12 1:11 What still uses the block layer? Rob Landley
2007-10-13 22:05 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-14 5:54 ` David Newall
2007-10-14 17:46 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-14 22:35 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-14 23:36 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 1:23 ` Neil Brown
2007-10-15 5:44 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-15 9:26 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 16:08 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-15 17:10 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-16 3:06 ` david
2007-10-16 5:56 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-16 10:19 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-16 19:54 ` david
2007-10-16 19:54 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-16 20:18 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-16 20:34 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-16 20:56 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-16 20:55 ` david
2007-10-16 21:49 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-17 9:48 ` Gabor Gombas
2007-10-17 17:23 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-17 21:04 ` david
2007-10-15 20:29 ` Wilfried Klaebe
2007-10-14 22:24 ` James Bottomley
2007-10-14 23:45 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 1:45 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-15 8:04 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 9:06 ` Julian Calaby
2007-10-15 10:08 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 17:33 ` Greg KH
2007-10-16 2:54 ` david
2007-10-16 4:04 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-16 4:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-16 4:15 ` david
2007-10-16 4:21 ` Greg KH
2007-10-16 5:00 ` david
[not found] ` <646765f40710150327i78519a0fvaea7a83d5975b180@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <200710151511.29748.rob@landley.net>
2007-10-15 23:49 ` Julian Calaby
2007-10-15 10:32 ` Loïc Grenié
2007-10-15 21:09 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 11:19 ` Neil Brown
2007-10-15 21:34 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 21:46 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2007-10-15 22:01 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-15 23:41 ` Neil Brown
2007-10-16 2:12 ` david
2007-10-15 13:21 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-15 13:29 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-15 13:35 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-15 17:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-15 14:46 ` Douglas Gilbert
2007-10-16 2:51 ` david
2007-10-15 13:37 ` OOM killer gripe (was Re: What still uses the block layer?) Nick Piggin
2007-10-15 9:52 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 15:08 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 6:22 ` David Newall
2007-10-20 9:48 ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-15 11:40 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-20 9:50 ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-16 3:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 4:10 ` david
2007-10-16 4:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 6:59 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 4:38 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 6:38 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-16 9:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 10:28 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-16 23:59 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-16 7:34 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-18 13:00 ` Rogier Wolff
2007-10-19 6:49 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-19 7:21 ` Rogier Wolff
2007-10-16 20:37 ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-17 5:34 ` What still uses the block layer? Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-10-17 6:07 ` david
2007-10-15 6:00 ` Greg KH
2007-10-15 8:36 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 13:08 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-15 14:00 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-15 18:56 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-10-15 17:25 ` Greg KH
2007-10-15 18:00 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-15 18:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-16 6:33 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-17 23:43 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-10-15 22:54 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 8:52 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-10-15 13:10 ` James Bottomley
2007-10-15 21:51 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 0:45 ` Luben Tuikov
2007-10-15 6:51 ` Rob Landley
2007-10-15 8:37 ` Luben Tuikov
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