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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
Cc: Chuck Ebbert <cebbert@redhat.com>, Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>,
	Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	stable@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [stable] 2.6.23 regression: top displaying 9999% CPU usage
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:00:27 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <471484B3.9010903@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200710161029.27132.borntraeger@de.ibm.com>

Christian Borntraeger wrote:
> Chuck, Balbir,
> 
> we still have a problem with stime occosionally going backwards. I stated
> below that I think this is not fixable with the current utime/stime split
> algorithm.
> 

Hi,

I missed seeing this problem before, sorry about that. Thanks for the
link below, I now understand the problem.

> Balbir, you wrote this code, Chuck you tried to fix it. Any ideas how to
> fix this properly? The only idea I have requires that we save the old value
> of utime and stime and therefore requires additional locking.
> 

I am trying to think out loud as to what the root cause of the problem
might be. In one of the discussion threads, I saw utime going backwards,
which seemed very odd, I suspect that those are rounding errors.

I don't understand your explanation below

Initially utime = 9, stime = 0, sum_exec_runtime = S1

Later

utime = 9, stime = 1, sum_exec_runtime = S2

We can be sure that S >= (utime + stime)

If S2 = S1 + delta, then as per our calculation

Initially

utime_proc = (utime * (S1))/(utime + stime)
           = nsec_to_clock_t(9 * S1 / 9)

later

utime_proc = nsec_to_clock_t(9 * S2/10)

Given that S >= (utime + stime), we should be fine.
The only problem I see is with rounding, like I mentioned before at two
places

1. Rounding at do_div() in task_utime()
2. Rounding in conversion from clock_t_to_cputime()

I have tried and not had any success reproducing the problem, could you
please help me with some pointers/steps to reproduce the problem?

-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-16  9:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-12 20:31 2.6.23 regression: top displaying 9999% CPU usage Frans Pop
2007-10-12 21:22 ` [stable] " Greg KH
2007-10-13  7:53   ` Frans Pop
2007-10-14 20:36     ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-16  8:29       ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-16  9:30         ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2007-10-16 10:11           ` Frans Pop
2007-10-16 10:38             ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-16 10:34           ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-16 12:59             ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-29 12:05               ` Frans Pop
2007-10-29 12:31                 ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-29 20:04                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 20:33                     ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-29 20:41                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-29 21:11                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-29 21:22                         ` Frans Pop
2007-10-29 21:43                     ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-29 23:19                       ` Frans Pop
2007-10-29 23:22                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-10-30 20:22                           ` Otavio Salvador
2007-10-29 23:24                         ` Balbir Singh
2007-10-30  5:56                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-30  6:00                         ` Balbir Singh

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