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From: "Giacomo A. Catenazzi" <cate@debian.org>
To: Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@suse.de>,
	Thomas Fricaccia <thomas_fricacci@yahoo.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
Subject: Re: LSM conversion to static interface
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:14:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <471DBB75.9020605@debian.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0710231051090.16684@fbirervta.pbzchgretzou.qr>

Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> On Oct 23 2007 07:44, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote:
>>> I do have a pseudo LSM called "multiadm" at 
>>> http://freshmeat.net/p/multiadm/ , quoting:
>>> Policy is dead simple since it is based on UIDs. The UID ranges can be 
>>> set on module load time or during runtime (sysfs params). This LSM is 
>>> basically grants extra rights unlike most other LSMs[1], which is why 
>>> modprobe makes much more sense here. (It also does not have to do any 
>>> security labelling that would require it to be loaded at boot time 
>>> already.)
>> But his is against LSM design (and first agreements about LSM):
>> LSM can deny rights, but it should not give extra permissions
>> or bypass standard unix permissions.
> 
> It is just not feasible to add ACLs to all million files in /home,
> also because ACLs are limited to around 25 entries.
> And it is obvious I do not want <prof> to have UID 0, because
> then you cannot distinguish who created what file.
> So the requirement to the task is to have unique UIDs.
> The next logical step would be to give capabilities to those UIDs.
> 
> *Is that wrong*? Who says that only UID 0 is allowed to have
> all 31 capability bits turned on, and that all non-UID 0 users
> need to have all 31 capability bits turned off?
> 
> So, we give caps to the subadmins (which is IMHO a natural task),
> and then, as per LSM design (wonder where that is written) deny
> some of the rights that the capabilities raised for subadmins grant,
> because that is obviously too much.

Nothing wrong.  I only said that it was against (IIRC) the
principle of LSM in kernel (we should only remove capacities).
I've nothing against the changing the design or rules.
It was only a commentary, to be sure that we know what we do ;-)

ciao
	cate

  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-23  9:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 140+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <167451.96128.qm@web38607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
2007-10-18  2:18 ` LSM conversion to static interface Linus Torvalds
2007-10-19 20:26   ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-10-19 20:40     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-20 11:05       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-20 22:57         ` James Morris
2007-10-21 22:59           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-23  4:09           ` LSM conversion to static interface [revert patch] Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-23  4:56             ` James Morris
2007-10-23  4:57               ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-23  5:16             ` Chris Wright
2007-10-23  9:10               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23  9:13                 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-23  9:14                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24  0:31               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-24  0:32                 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-24  5:06                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-24 11:50                   ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 12:55                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-24 18:11                       ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 18:51                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 18:59                           ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 19:04                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 21:02                               ` David P. Quigley
2007-10-24 21:37                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-24 21:51                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 22:02                                     ` David P. Quigley
2007-10-24 23:13                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-25  1:50                                   ` david
2007-10-25  3:50                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-10-24 21:42                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 21:58                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-24 22:04                                   ` David P. Quigley
2007-10-25 11:38                                 ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 20:18                           ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-24 20:46                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 21:29                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-24 22:31                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-24 22:58                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-24 23:32                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-24 23:42                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25  0:41                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-25  2:19                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-30  3:37                                   ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-10-25  1:03                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-25  0:23                             ` Chris Wright
2007-10-25  0:35                               ` Ray Lee
2007-10-25  1:26                                 ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-25  1:41                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-25  2:11                                   ` david
2007-10-25 18:17                                   ` Ray Lee
2007-10-25 22:21                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-10-26  3:45                                       ` david
2007-10-26  5:44                                         ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-27 18:29                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-28 18:48                                       ` Hua Zhong
2007-10-28 19:05                                       ` Hua Zhong
2007-10-28 22:08                                   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-28 22:50                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-11-26 20:42                                       ` serge
2007-10-28 23:55                                     ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-29  5:12                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25  9:19                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-10-25 16:04                                   ` Ray Lee
2007-10-25 17:10                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-30  9:41                                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-10-25  1:42                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-27 18:22                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-28 19:42                                   ` Linux Security *Module* Framework Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 20:46                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  3:23                                 ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Toshiharu Harada
2007-10-30  8:40                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  8:50                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-30  9:27                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  9:21                                     ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-10-25 11:44                           ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-25 23:09                           ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-26  2:56                             ` Greg KH
2007-10-26  7:09                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-26 15:54                                 ` Greg KH
2007-10-26  9:46                               ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-26 15:58                                 ` Greg KH
2007-10-26 16:32                                   ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-27 14:07                                   ` eradicating out of tree modules (was: Linux Security *Module* Framework) Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28  1:21                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-26 23:26                                 ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Adrian Bunk
2007-10-27 14:47                                   ` eradicating out of tree modules (was: : Linux Security *Module* Framework) Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-27 17:31                                     ` eradicating out of tree modules Stefan Richter
2007-10-28  0:55                                     ` eradicating out of tree modules (was: : Linux Security *Module* Framework) Adrian Bunk
2007-10-28  9:25                                       ` eradicating out of tree modules Stefan Richter
2007-10-28 12:01                                         ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 14:37                                           ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-28 14:59                                             ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-28 16:55                                             ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 18:51                                       ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 19:25                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-30  0:29                                           ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-30 13:11                                             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-10-30 13:19                                               ` Xavier Bestel
2007-10-30 15:30                                               ` Greg KH
2007-10-29 23:51                               ` Out-of-tree modules [was: Linux Security *Module* Framework] Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30  0:46                                 ` Lee Revell
2007-10-30  1:19                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-27 14:08                     ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface Tetsuo Handa
2007-11-05  6:42                       ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-23  9:13           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23  5:44         ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2007-10-23  8:55           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23  9:14             ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi [this message]
2007-10-23  9:18               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23 15:20             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-23 15:28               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23 15:34                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-25 10:23                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-10-19 21:07     ` James Morris
2007-10-22  1:12   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-25 11:33 Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-26 10:40 ` Samir Bellabes
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-22 17:00 Thomas Fricaccia
2007-10-22 17:12 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-22 17:13 ` Greg KH
2007-10-23  5:14   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-23  5:32     ` david
2007-10-23 11:38   ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-23  5:53 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2007-10-23  7:12   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-23  8:17     ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-10-24  3:41     ` Greg KH
2007-10-22  2:24 Thomas Fricaccia
2007-10-22  3:59 ` Greg KH
2007-10-22 17:47   ` Avi Kivity
2007-10-23 16:05     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-23 16:52   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-10-22 10:07 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-22 16:10   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-22 16:50     ` Alan Cox
2007-10-22 16:56       ` Greg KH
2007-10-18  1:34 Thomas Fricaccia
2007-10-18  2:03 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-18  2:21   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18  3:06 ` Arjan van de Ven

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