From: Crispin Cowan <crispin@crispincowan.com>
To: Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de>
Cc: Simon Arlott <simon@fire.lp0.eu>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>,
Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@suse.de>,
Thomas Fricaccia <thomas_fricacci@yahoo.com>,
Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
Giacomo Catenazzi <cate@debian.org>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:18:41 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <471FA8A1.6070904@crispincowan.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0710242050540.17781@fbirervta.pbzchgretzou.qr>
Jan Engelhardt wrote:
> On Oct 24 2007 19:11, Simon Arlott wrote:
>
>> * (I've got a list of access rules which are scanned in order until one of
>> them matches, and an array of one bit for every port for per-port default
>> allow/deny - although the latter could be removed.
>> http://svn.lp0.eu/simon/portac/trunk/)
>>
> Besides the 'feature' of inhibiting port binding,
> is not this task of blocking connections something for a firewall?
>
So now you are criticizing his module. Arguing about the merits of
security semantics. This is exactly why Linus wanted LSM, so we don't
have to have these kinds of discussions, at least not on LKML :)
It seems to me that LSM used to be an open API. Anyone could code to it,
so you could at least try to ship a module that will load into a major
vendor's stock kernel for an important release.
Now with this change, it is effectively a closed API. You can only load
the modules that the distro vendor shipped to you. If you want
*anything* other than what RH or Novell or Canonical or Mandriva etc.
says you should want, then you have to hack the source code for your kernel.
Open source is great, and it is wonderful that you *can* hack the source
if you need to, but demanding that end users patch their source code
when all they want to do is load a module is really, really sad.
Please revert this patch. Its benefits are no where near its costs.
Crispin
--
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Itanium. Vista. GPLv3. Complexity at work
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Thread overview: 141+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2007-10-18 2:18 ` LSM conversion to static interface Linus Torvalds
2007-10-19 20:26 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-10-19 20:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-20 11:05 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-20 22:57 ` James Morris
2007-10-21 22:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-23 4:09 ` LSM conversion to static interface [revert patch] Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-23 4:56 ` James Morris
2007-10-23 4:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-23 5:16 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-23 9:10 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23 9:13 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-23 9:14 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 0:31 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-10-24 0:32 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-24 5:06 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-24 11:50 ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 12:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-24 18:11 ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 18:51 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 18:59 ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 19:04 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 21:02 ` David P. Quigley
2007-10-24 21:37 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-24 21:51 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 22:02 ` David P. Quigley
2007-10-24 23:13 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-25 1:50 ` david
2007-10-25 3:50 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-10-24 21:42 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 21:58 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-24 22:04 ` David P. Quigley
2007-10-25 11:38 ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-24 20:18 ` Crispin Cowan [this message]
2007-10-24 20:46 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-24 21:29 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-24 22:31 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-24 22:58 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-24 23:32 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-24 23:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 0:41 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-25 2:19 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-30 3:37 ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-10-25 1:03 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-25 0:23 ` Chris Wright
2007-10-25 0:35 ` Ray Lee
2007-10-25 1:26 ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-25 1:41 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-25 2:11 ` david
2007-10-25 18:17 ` Ray Lee
2007-10-25 22:21 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-26 3:45 ` david
2007-10-26 5:44 ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-27 18:29 ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-28 18:48 ` Hua Zhong
2007-10-28 19:05 ` Hua Zhong
2007-10-28 22:08 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-28 22:50 ` Alan Cox
2007-11-26 20:42 ` serge
2007-10-28 23:55 ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-29 5:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25 9:19 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-10-25 16:04 ` Ray Lee
2007-10-25 17:10 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-30 9:41 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2007-10-25 1:42 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-27 18:22 ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-28 19:42 ` Linux Security *Module* Framework Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 20:46 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30 3:23 ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Toshiharu Harada
2007-10-30 8:40 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30 8:50 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-30 9:27 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30 9:21 ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-10-25 11:44 ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-25 23:09 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-26 2:56 ` Greg KH
2007-10-26 7:09 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-26 15:54 ` Greg KH
2007-10-26 9:46 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-26 15:58 ` Greg KH
2007-10-26 16:32 ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-27 14:07 ` eradicating out of tree modules (was: Linux Security *Module* Framework) Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 1:21 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-26 23:26 ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Adrian Bunk
2007-10-27 14:47 ` eradicating out of tree modules (was: : Linux Security *Module* Framework) Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-27 17:31 ` eradicating out of tree modules Stefan Richter
2007-10-28 0:55 ` eradicating out of tree modules (was: : Linux Security *Module* Framework) Adrian Bunk
2007-10-28 9:25 ` eradicating out of tree modules Stefan Richter
2007-10-28 12:01 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 14:37 ` Stefan Richter
2007-10-28 14:59 ` Simon Arlott
2007-10-28 16:55 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 18:51 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-28 19:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-10-30 0:29 ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-10-30 13:11 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-10-30 13:19 ` Xavier Bestel
2007-10-30 15:30 ` Greg KH
2007-10-29 23:51 ` Out-of-tree modules [was: Linux Security *Module* Framework] Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30 0:46 ` Lee Revell
2007-10-30 1:19 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-27 14:08 ` Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface Tetsuo Handa
2007-11-05 6:42 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-23 9:13 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23 5:44 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2007-10-23 8:55 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23 9:14 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-10-23 9:18 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23 15:20 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-23 15:28 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-23 15:34 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-25 10:23 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-10-19 21:07 ` James Morris
2007-10-22 1:12 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-29 10:01 Linux Security *Module* Framework (Was: LSM conversion to static interface) Rob Meijer
2007-10-29 10:24 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-29 13:32 ` Peter Dolding
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-29 19:04 Rob Meijer
2007-10-29 19:41 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-30 5:13 ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-30 18:42 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30 19:14 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-30 19:50 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-30 23:38 ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-31 0:16 ` david
2007-10-31 2:21 ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-31 3:43 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-10-31 5:08 ` david
2007-10-31 6:43 ` Crispin Cowan
2007-10-31 9:03 ` Peter Dolding
2007-10-31 10:10 ` Toshiharu Harada
2007-11-01 2:04 ` Peter Dolding
2007-11-01 2:20 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-11-01 2:51 ` Peter Dolding
2007-11-01 7:17 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-11-01 11:49 ` David Newall
2007-11-04 1:28 ` Peter Dolding
2007-11-05 6:56 ` Andrew Morgan
2007-11-05 13:29 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-10-29 20:27 ` Casey Schaufler
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