From: Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: davids@webmaster.com,
"Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Is gcc thread-unsafe?
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:27:23 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4721265B.2060504@shaw.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fa.M4DOMggyrQmdTqekWSuw4xCxiTc@ifi.uio.no>
Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:29:56 -0700
> "David Schwartz" <davids@webmaster.com> wrote:
>
>>> Well that's exactly right. For threaded programs (and maybe even
>>> real-world non-threaded ones in general), you don't want to be
>>> even _reading_ global variables if you don't need to. Cache misses
>>> and cacheline bouncing could easily cause performance to completely
>>> tank in some cases while only gaining a cycle or two in
>>> microbenchmarks for doing these funny x86 predication things.
>> For some CPUs, replacing an conditional branch with a conditional
>> move is a *huge* win because it cannot be mispredicted.
>
> please name one...
> Hint: It's not one made by either Intel or AMD in the last 4 years...
It is a win if the branch cannot be effectively predicted, i.e. if the
outcome is essentially random, as may occur with data-dependent
conditionals. I've seen a doubling of performance on one workload using
a predicated instruction instead of a branch on newer Xeons in such a case.
I suspect that if branch prediction fails often, the data dependency
created by the cmov, etc. is less expensive than the pipeline flush
required by mispredicts..
--
Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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2007-10-25 23:27 ` Robert Hancock [this message]
2007-10-28 18:19 Is gcc thread-unsafe? linux
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2007-10-26 14:40 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-10-26 15:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 15:34 ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 18:06 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-30 10:20 ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-02 15:29 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-02 15:38 ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-04 15:13 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-04 17:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-04 17:58 ` Andrew Haley
2007-11-04 18:06 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-11-02 17:18 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-26 21:45 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2007-10-26 22:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 15:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 16:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 17:07 ` Bart Van Assche
2007-10-26 17:12 ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 18:08 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-26 18:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 20:39 ` Andi Kleen
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-10-25 3:24 Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 3:46 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25 3:58 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 4:29 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-25 4:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-10-25 18:45 ` Måns Rullgård
2007-10-25 4:47 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 9:40 ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25 9:44 ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25 9:54 ` Samuel Tardieu
2007-10-25 9:55 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 7:15 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 11:58 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-10-25 12:16 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 22:49 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 23:09 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 23:16 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 23:42 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-26 1:15 ` Zachary Amsden
2007-10-26 4:57 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-10-25 23:43 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 23:55 ` Andi Kleen
2007-10-25 23:57 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-25 14:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-25 15:12 ` Pekka Enberg
2007-10-25 21:42 ` David Schwartz
2007-10-25 23:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-26 11:59 ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 11:59 ` Andrew Haley
2007-10-26 17:39 ` Chris Friesen
2007-10-25 22:26 ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-10-25 22:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-25 23:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31 22:10 ` Phillip Susi
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