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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Brian Gerst <bgerst@didntduck.org>
Cc: Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/11 v3] enable "make ARCH=x86"
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:12:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47352FC9.9080701@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47352DF2.5000409@didntduck.org>

Brian Gerst wrote:
> Jeff Garzik wrote:
>> Sam Ravnborg wrote:
>>> This is the patch that get rid of ARCH=i386 and ARCH=x86_64
>>> and introduce ARCH=x86.
>>> It touches several files but the changes are all one or two-liners.
>>>
>>>       x86: drop backward compatibility symlinks to i386/boot and
>>> x86_64/boot
>>>       kbuild: sanity check the specified arch
>>
>> IMO it negatives impacts the workflow when you -remove- the ability to
>> set 32/64-bit on the make command line.
>>
>> Building and testing for both architectures now requires the additional
>> step of editing .config, which is a clear workflow negative impact at
>> least for me.
>>
>> I switch between other cross-compiled arches (alpha, usually) on the
>> makefile command line
>>
>> Yes, I know other 32/64-bit arches require .config editing.  That
>> doesn't change the basic fact that this is a workflow regression.
>>
>>     Jeff
> 
> You can use:
> 
> make i386_defconfig
> make x86_64_defconfig

Does that work for alpha too?


> In any other case you'd be editing the .config anyways.

No, that's a logic rathole down which I will not follow :)

You can make any argument along those lines command line usage is really 
an art, not a science.  Its a user interface, and that involves human 
taste rather than logic.

I've been bouncing between architectures using ARCH= for years, and my 
fingers and brain have been trained.  It's just disappointing and a pain 
to change this nice user interface that has served so well for years.

This is /not/ a cleanup, it's a user interface change.

	Jeff




  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-10  4:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-09 23:08 [PATCH 0/11 v3] enable "make ARCH=x86" Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-09 23:20 ` [PATCH 01/11] x86: unification of cfufreq/Kconfig Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-09 23:20 ` [PATCH 02/11] x86: start unification of arch/x86/Kconfig.* Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-09 23:20 ` [PATCH 03/11] x86: arch/x86/Kconfig.cpu unification Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-09 23:20 ` [PATCH 04/11] x86: add X86_32 dependency to i386 specific symbols in Kconfig.i386 Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-09 23:20 ` [PATCH 05/11] x86: add X86_64 dependency to x86_64 specific symbols in Kconfig.x86_64 Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-09 23:20 ` [PATCH 06/11] x86: copy x86_64 specific Kconfig symbols to Kconfig.i386 Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-09 23:20 ` [PATCH 07/11] x86: move all simple arch settings to Kconfig Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-09 23:20 ` [PATCH 08/11] x86: move the rest of the menu's " Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-09 23:20 ` [PATCH 09/11] x86: enable "make ARCH=x86" Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-09 23:20 ` [PATCH 10/11] x86: drop backward compatibility symlinks to i386/boot and x86_64/boot Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-09 23:20 ` [PATCH 11/11] kbuild: sanity check the specified arch Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-10  3:23 ` [PATCH 0/11 v3] enable "make ARCH=x86" Jeff Garzik
2007-11-10  3:37   ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-10  3:50   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-10  4:05   ` Brian Gerst
2007-11-10  4:12     ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2007-11-14 20:13       ` Roman Zippel
2007-11-10  7:54   ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-10  5:26     ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-10  8:21     ` Paul Mundt
2007-11-10  8:24       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-11-10  8:44         ` Paul Mundt
2007-11-10 20:35           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-10 20:46             ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-10 21:24             ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-10  9:39         ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-10 10:32           ` david
2007-11-10  9:21       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-10  9:26         ` Paul Mundt
2007-11-10  8:23     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-11-10 10:13       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-10 15:53 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-12 11:59 ` Frans Pop
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2007-11-11 21:03               ` Bodo Eggert

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