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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: ak@suse.de, akpm@linux-foundation.org, travis@sgi.com,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [rfc 08/45] cpu alloc: x86 support
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:35:06 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <474239CA.20403@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071120011333.619991903@sgi.com>

Christoph Lameter wrote:
> 
> For the UP and SMP case map the area using 4k ptes. Typical use of per cpu
> data is around 16k for UP and SMP configurations. It goes up to 45k when the
> per cpu area is managed by cpu_alloc (see special x86_64 patchset).
> Allocating in 2M segments would be overkill.
> 
> For NUMA map the area using 2M PMDs. A large NUMA system may use
> lots of cpu data for the page allocator data alone. We typically
> have large amounts of memory around on those size. Using a 2M page size
> reduces TLB pressure for that case.
> 
> Some numbers for envisioned maximum configurations of NUMA systems:
> 
> 4k cpu configurations with 1k nodes:
> 
> 	4096 * 16MB = 64TB of virtual space.
> 
> Maximum theoretical configuration 16384 processors 1k nodes:
> 
> 	16384 * 16MB = 256TB of virtual space.
> 
> Both fit within the established limits established.
> 

You're making the assumption here that NUMA = large number of CPUs. 
This assumption is flat-out wrong.

On x86-64, most two-socket systems are still NUMA, and I would expect 
that most distro kernels probably compile in NUMA.  However,
burning megabytes of memory on a two-socket dual-core system when we're 
talking about tens of kilobytes used would be more than a wee bit insane.

I do like the concept, overall, but the above distinction needs to be fixed.

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-20  1:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-20  1:11 [rfc 00/45] [RFC] CPU ops and a rework of per cpu data handling on x86_64 clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 01/45] ACPI: Avoid references to impossible processors clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20 12:47   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20 20:16     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20 15:29   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-20 20:18     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 02/45] cpu alloc: Simple version of the allocator (static allocations) clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 03/45] Generic CPU operations: Core piece clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  3:17   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20  3:30     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  4:07       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20 20:36         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 04/45] cpu alloc: Use in SLUB clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20 12:42   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20 20:44     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20 21:23       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20 21:36         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20 21:43           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 05/45] cpu alloc: Remove SLUB fields clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 06/45] cpu alloc: page allocator conversion clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 07/45] cpu_alloc: Implement dynamically extendable cpu areas clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 08/45] cpu alloc: x86 support clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:35   ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2007-11-20  2:02     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  2:18       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-20  3:37       ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-20  3:59       ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-20 12:05         ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-20  3:16   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-20  3:50     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20 12:01       ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-20 20:35         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20 20:59           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-20 21:33             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-21  0:10               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-21  1:16                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-21  1:36                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-21  2:08                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-21 13:08                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-21 19:01                         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20 20:43         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-20 20:51           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-20 20:58             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20 21:06               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-20 21:34                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20 21:01             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-27  4:12         ` John Richard Moser
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 09/45] cpu alloc: IA64 support clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 10/45] cpu_alloc: Sparc64 support clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 11/45] cpu alloc: percpu_counter conversion clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 12/45] cpu alloc: crash_notes conversion clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20 13:03   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20 20:50     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 13/45] cpu alloc: workqueue conversion clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 14/45] cpu alloc: ACPI cstate handling conversion clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 15/45] cpu alloc: genhd statistics conversion clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 16/45] cpu alloc: blktrace conversion clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 17/45] cpu alloc: SRCU clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 18/45] cpu alloc: XFS counters clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  8:12   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-11-20 20:38     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-21  4:47       ` David Chinner
2007-11-21  4:50         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 19/45] cpu alloc: NFS statistics clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20 13:02   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20 20:49     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20 20:56       ` Trond Myklebust
2007-11-20 21:28         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20 21:48           ` Trond Myklebust
2007-11-20 21:50             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20 22:46               ` Trond Myklebust
2007-11-21  0:53                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20 21:26       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 20/45] cpu alloc: neigbour statistics clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 21/45] cpu alloc: tcp statistics clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 22/45] cpu alloc: convert scatches clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 23/45] cpu alloc: dmaengine conversion clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20 12:50   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20 20:46     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 24/45] cpu alloc: convert loopback statistics clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 25/45] cpu alloc: veth conversion clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 26/45] cpu alloc: Chelsio statistics conversion clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:11 ` [rfc 27/45] cpu alloc: convert mib handling to cpu alloc clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 28/45] cpu_alloc: convert network sockets clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 29/45] cpu alloc: Use for infiniband clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 30/45] cpu alloc: Use in the crypto subsystem clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 31/45] cpu alloc: Remove the allocpercpu functionality clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 32/45] Module handling: Use CPU_xx ops to dynamically allocate counters clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 33/45] x86_64: Use CPU ops for nmi alert counter clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 34/45] x86_64: Fold percpu area into the cpu area clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 35/45] X86_64: Declare pda as per cpu data thereby moving it " clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 36/45] X86_64: Place pda first in " clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 37/45] x86_64: Support for fast per cpu operations clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  2:00   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-20  2:03     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  2:15       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-20  2:17     ` David Miller
2007-11-20  2:19       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-20  3:23         ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-20  2:45     ` Paul Mackerras
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 38/45] x86_64: Remove obsolete per_cpu offset calculations clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 39/45] x86_64: Remove the data_offset field from the pda clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 40/45] x86_64: Provide per_cpu_var definition clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 41/45] VM statistics: Use CPU ops clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 43/45] x86_64: Add a CPU_OR to support or_pda() clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 44/45] Remove local_t support clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20 12:59   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20 20:48     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:12 ` [rfc 45/45] Modules: Hack to handle symbols that have a zero value clameter, Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  2:20   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20  2:49     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  3:29       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2007-11-20  1:18 ` [rfc 00/45] [RFC] CPU ops and a rework of per cpu data handling on x86_64 Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  1:51 ` David Miller
2007-11-20  1:59   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  2:10     ` David Miller
2007-11-20  2:12       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  3:25   ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-20  3:33     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-11-20  4:04     ` David Miller

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