[PATCH][DOCUMENTATION] The namespaces compatibility list doc

[PATCH][DOCUMENTATION] The namespaces compatibility list doc

[Pavel Emelyanov]

>From time to time people begin discussions about how the
namespaces are working/going-to-work together.

Ted T'so proposed to create some document that describes what
problems user may have when he/she creates some new namespace,
but keeps others shared. I liked this idea, so here's the 
initial version of such a document with the problems I currently 
have in mind and can describe somewhat audibly - the "namespaces 
compatibility list".

The Documentation/namespaces/ directory is about to contain more
docs about the namespaces stuff.

Thanks to Cedirc for notes and spell checks on the doc.

Signed-off-by: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>

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commit 83061c56e1c4dcd54d48a62b108d219a7f5279a0
Author: Pavel <pavel@xemulnb.sw.ru>
Date:   Fri Nov 16 12:25:53 2007 +0300

    Namespaces compatibility list

diff --git a/Documentation/00-INDEX b/Documentation/00-INDEX
index 910e511..3ead06b 100644
--- a/Documentation/00-INDEX
+++ b/Documentation/00-INDEX
@@ -262,6 +262,8 @@ mtrr.txt
 	- how to use PPro Memory Type Range Registers to increase performance.
 mutex-design.txt
 	- info on the generic mutex subsystem.
+namespaces/
+	- directory with various information about namespaces
 nbd.txt
 	- info on a TCP implementation of a network block device.
 netlabel/
diff --git a/Documentation/namespaces/compatibility-list.txt b/Documentation/namespaces/compatibility-list.txt
new file mode 100644
index 0000000..9c9e5c1
--- /dev/null
+++ b/Documentation/namespaces/compatibility-list.txt
@@ -0,0 +1,33 @@
+	Namespaces compatibility list
+
+This document contains the information about the problems user
+may have when creating tasks living in different namespaces.
+
+Here's the summary. This matrix shows the known problems, that
+occur when tasks share some namespace (the columns) while living
+in different other namespaces (the rows):
+
+	UTS	IPC	VFS	PID	User	Net
+UTS	 X
+IPC		 X	 1
+VFS			 X
+PID		 1	 1	 X
+User			 2		 X
+Net						 X
+
+1. Both the IPC and the PID namespaces provide IDs to address
+   object inside the kernel. E.g. semaphore with ipcid or
+   process group with pid.
+
+   In both cases, tasks shouldn't try exposing this id to some
+   other task living in a different namespace via a shared filesystem
+   or IPC shmem/message. The fact is that this ID is only valid
+   within the namespace it was obtained in and may refer to some
+   other object in another namespace.
+
+2. Intentionnaly, two equal user ids in different user namespaces
+   should not be equal from the VFS point of view. In other
+   words, user 10 in one user namespace shouldn't have the same
+   access permissions to files, beloging to user 10 in another
+   namespace. But currently this is not so.
+

Re: [PATCH][DOCUMENTATION] The namespaces compatibility list doc

[Daniel Lezcano]

Pavel Emelyanov wrote:
>>From time to time people begin discussions about how the
> namespaces are working/going-to-work together.
> 
> Ted T'so proposed to create some document that describes what
> problems user may have when he/she creates some new namespace,
> but keeps others shared. I liked this idea, so here's the 
> initial version of such a document with the problems I currently 
> have in mind and can describe somewhat audibly - the "namespaces 
> compatibility list".
> 
> The Documentation/namespaces/ directory is about to contain more
> docs about the namespaces stuff.
> 
> Thanks to Cedirc for notes and spell checks on the doc.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>
> 
> ---
> 
> commit 83061c56e1c4dcd54d48a62b108d219a7f5279a0
> Author: Pavel <pavel@xemulnb.sw.ru>
> Date:   Fri Nov 16 12:25:53 2007 +0300
> 
>     Namespaces compatibility list
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/00-INDEX b/Documentation/00-INDEX
> index 910e511..3ead06b 100644
> --- a/Documentation/00-INDEX
> +++ b/Documentation/00-INDEX
> @@ -262,6 +262,8 @@ mtrr.txt
>  	- how to use PPro Memory Type Range Registers to increase performance.
>  mutex-design.txt
>  	- info on the generic mutex subsystem.
> +namespaces/
> +	- directory with various information about namespaces
>  nbd.txt
>  	- info on a TCP implementation of a network block device.
>  netlabel/
> diff --git a/Documentation/namespaces/compatibility-list.txt b/Documentation/namespaces/compatibility-list.txt
> new file mode 100644
> index 0000000..9c9e5c1
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/namespaces/compatibility-list.txt
> @@ -0,0 +1,33 @@
> +	Namespaces compatibility list
> +
> +This document contains the information about the problems user
> +may have when creating tasks living in different namespaces.
> +
> +Here's the summary. This matrix shows the known problems, that
> +occur when tasks share some namespace (the columns) while living
> +in different other namespaces (the rows):
> +
> +	UTS	IPC	VFS	PID	User	Net
> +UTS	 X
> +IPC		 X	 1               
> +VFS			 X
> +PID		 1	 1	 X               
> +User			 2		 X
> +Net						 
> +

	UTS	IPC	VFS	PID	User	Net
UTS	 X
IPC		 X	 1               3
VFS			 X
PID		 1	 1	 X
User			 2		 X
Net						

> +1. Both the IPC and the PID namespaces provide IDs to address
> +   object inside the kernel. E.g. semaphore with ipcid or
> +   process group with pid.
> +
> +   In both cases, tasks shouldn't try exposing this id to some
> +   other task living in a different namespace via a shared filesystem
> +   or IPC shmem/message. The fact is that this ID is only valid
> +   within the namespace it was obtained in and may refer to some
> +   other object in another namespace.
> +
> +2. Intentionnaly, two equal user ids in different user namespaces
       Intentionaly
> +   should not be equal from the VFS point of view. In other
> +   words, user 10 in one user namespace shouldn't have the same
> +   access permissions to files, beloging to user 10 in another
                                    belonging
> +   namespace. But currently this is not so.
> +

3. IPC and User

Two processes running in different user namespaces but with the same 
uids can access with the same permissions to the IPC created by one or 
other process

Re: [PATCH][DOCUMENTATION] The namespaces compatibility list doc

[Pavel Emelyanov]

Daniel Lezcano wrote:
> Pavel Emelyanov wrote:
>> >From time to time people begin discussions about how the
>> namespaces are working/going-to-work together.
>>
>> Ted T'so proposed to create some document that describes what
>> problems user may have when he/she creates some new namespace,
>> but keeps others shared. I liked this idea, so here's the 
>> initial version of such a document with the problems I currently 
>> have in mind and can describe somewhat audibly - the "namespaces 
>> compatibility list".
>>
>> The Documentation/namespaces/ directory is about to contain more
>> docs about the namespaces stuff.
>>
>> Thanks to Cedirc for notes and spell checks on the doc.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> commit 83061c56e1c4dcd54d48a62b108d219a7f5279a0
>> Author: Pavel <pavel@xemulnb.sw.ru>
>> Date:   Fri Nov 16 12:25:53 2007 +0300
>>
>>     Namespaces compatibility list
>>
>> diff --git a/Documentation/00-INDEX b/Documentation/00-INDEX
>> index 910e511..3ead06b 100644
>> --- a/Documentation/00-INDEX
>> +++ b/Documentation/00-INDEX
>> @@ -262,6 +262,8 @@ mtrr.txt
>>  	- how to use PPro Memory Type Range Registers to increase performance.
>>  mutex-design.txt
>>  	- info on the generic mutex subsystem.
>> +namespaces/
>> +	- directory with various information about namespaces
>>  nbd.txt
>>  	- info on a TCP implementation of a network block device.
>>  netlabel/
>> diff --git a/Documentation/namespaces/compatibility-list.txt b/Documentation/namespaces/compatibility-list.txt
>> new file mode 100644
>> index 0000000..9c9e5c1
>> --- /dev/null
>> +++ b/Documentation/namespaces/compatibility-list.txt
>> @@ -0,0 +1,33 @@
>> +	Namespaces compatibility list
>> +
>> +This document contains the information about the problems user
>> +may have when creating tasks living in different namespaces.
>> +
>> +Here's the summary. This matrix shows the known problems, that
>> +occur when tasks share some namespace (the columns) while living
>> +in different other namespaces (the rows):
>> +
>> +	UTS	IPC	VFS	PID	User	Net
>> +UTS	 X
>> +IPC		 X	 1               
>> +VFS			 X
>> +PID		 1	 1	 X               
>> +User			 2		 X
>> +Net						 
>> +
> 
> 	UTS	IPC	VFS	PID	User	Net
> UTS	 X
> IPC		 X	 1               3
> VFS			 X
> PID		 1	 1	 X
> User			 2		 X
> Net						
> 
>> +1. Both the IPC and the PID namespaces provide IDs to address
>> +   object inside the kernel. E.g. semaphore with ipcid or
>> +   process group with pid.
>> +
>> +   In both cases, tasks shouldn't try exposing this id to some
>> +   other task living in a different namespace via a shared filesystem
>> +   or IPC shmem/message. The fact is that this ID is only valid
>> +   within the namespace it was obtained in and may refer to some
>> +   other object in another namespace.
>> +
>> +2. Intentionnaly, two equal user ids in different user namespaces
>        Intentionaly
>> +   should not be equal from the VFS point of view. In other
>> +   words, user 10 in one user namespace shouldn't have the same
>> +   access permissions to files, beloging to user 10 in another
>                                     belonging
>> +   namespace. But currently this is not so.
>> +
> 
> 3. IPC and User
> 
> Two processes running in different user namespaces but with the same 
> uids can access with the same permissions to the IPC created by one or 
> other process

Different user and equal IPC is where the row UID and column 
IPC cross, not the vice versa.

Anything, thanks, please send an incremental patch if Andrew 
accepts this one.

Thanks,
Pavel

Re: [PATCH][DOCUMENTATION] The namespaces compatibility list doc

[Randy Dunlap]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:52:34 +0100 Daniel Lezcano wrote:

> > +1. Both the IPC and the PID namespaces provide IDs to address
> > +   object inside the kernel. E.g. semaphore with ipcid or
> > +   process group with pid.
> > +
> > +   In both cases, tasks shouldn't try exposing this id to some
> > +   other task living in a different namespace via a shared filesystem
> > +   or IPC shmem/message. The fact is that this ID is only valid
> > +   within the namespace it was obtained in and may refer to some
> > +   other object in another namespace.
> > +
> > +2. Intentionnaly, two equal user ids in different user namespaces
>        Intentionaly

        Intentionally,

> > +   should not be equal from the VFS point of view. In other
> > +   words, user 10 in one user namespace shouldn't have the same
> > +   access permissions to files, beloging to user 10 in another
>                                     belonging
> > +   namespace. But currently this is not so.
> > +

---
~Randy

Re: [Devel] Re: [PATCH][DOCUMENTATION] The namespaces compatibility list doc

[Kir Kolyshkin]

Daniel Lezcano wrote:
> Pavel Emelyanov wrote:
>>
>> +2. Intentionnaly, two equal user ids in different user namespaces
>       Intentionaly
Intentionally