From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@redhat.com>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
mingo@elte.hu, tglx@linutronix.de
Subject: Re: [PATCHv4 5/6] Allow setting O_NONBLOCK flag for new sockets
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:38:17 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <474B8319.8000606@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.9999.0711261801390.5869@woody.linux-foundation.org>
Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
>> The 6-word limit is a red herring. There is at least two ways to deal with it
>> (and this doesn't mean wiping the legacy stuff we already have):
>>
>> - Let each architecture pick a calling convention and redefine the
>> architecture-independent bits to take an arbitrary number of arguments. This
>> is a one-time panarchitectural change.
>
> Not applicable on x86-32.
>
> The six-word limit is effectively a hardware limit there. Once it goes
> past that limit, one of the words needs to be a pointer to extended
> information that is fundamentally slower to access. Happily, only very
> rare system calls do that (and none of them are of the simple variety
> where we see a few cycles easily).
>
> On other architectures, we could more easily just use more registers. But
> x86-32 is still a big part (bulk) of what matters for most people.
>
Well, x86-32 and x86-64 are surprisingly similar here, for very
different reasons (x86-64 is because there are only seven clobbered
registers that aren't destroyed by the syscall instruction itself.)
However, on both of these we could make the user-space side cheaper, by
making sure that we don't have to do additional copies in user space.
For both these architectures, anything more than 3 parameters (i386) or
6 parameters (x86-64) will be already in memory on the stack, so if we
can use that image as-is then we at least save the intra-user-space copy
that goes along with it.
x86-64 requires some minor thought, since the obvious way of doing it
(using arg register 6 to push in a pointer) would end up with a
discontiguous frame. One can do it with something like this, although
it's not clear to me it is a win at all (the more obvious sequence using
XCHG isn't usable since XCHG locks unconditionally):
pop %r10 # Return address
push %r9 # Argument 6
movq %rsp, %r11
push %r10
movq %rcx, %r10
syscall
cmpq $-4095, %rax
jae ...
pop %r10
pop %r9
push %r10
retq
The number of registers do vary, obviously, with s390 being the smallest
number (5).
> Immediately when you do anything but registers, it is much *much* more
> costly. The "get_user()" and "copy_from_user()" stuff is not exactly slow,
> but it's quite noticeable overhead for simple system calls. It gets worse
> if this all is described by some indirect table setup.
True, of course, although we're talking here about different ways to
pull arguments out of userspace memory; *definitely* agreed with that we
don't want to have any additional indirection necessary.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-11-27 2:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-11-20 6:53 [PATCHv4 5/6] Allow setting O_NONBLOCK flag for new sockets Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-20 7:59 ` David Miller
2007-11-20 16:04 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-20 18:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-20 18:24 ` Zach Brown
2007-11-20 19:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-20 22:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-20 22:33 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-11-20 22:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-20 23:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-20 23:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-20 23:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-26 18:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-26 18:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-26 19:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-26 19:55 ` Davide Libenzi
2007-11-26 19:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-26 23:25 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-27 0:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-27 0:42 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-11-27 1:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-11-27 2:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-27 2:38 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2007-11-20 21:48 ` David Miller
2007-11-20 21:55 ` Zach Brown
2007-11-20 22:36 ` David Miller
2007-11-20 17:54 ` Zach Brown
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