From: Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com>
To: "David P. Reed" <dpreed@reed.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Paul Rolland <rol@as2917.net>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
rol@witbe.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override.
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:36:34 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47667B62.5080508@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47667A85.3080100@reed.com>
On 17-12-07 14:32, David P. Reed wrote:
> Rene Herman wrote:
>> No, most definitely not. Having the user select udelay or none through
>> the kernel config and then the kernel deciding "ah, you know what,
>> I'll know better and use port access anyway" is _utterly_ broken
>> behaviour. Software needs to listen to its master.
>>
> When acting as an ordinary user, the .config is beyond my control
> (except on Gentoo). It is in control of the distro (Fedora, Ubuntu,
> ... but perhaps not Gentoo). I think the distro guys want a default
> behavior that is set in .config, with quirk overrides being done when
> needed. And of course the user in his/her boot params gets the final say.
Yes, and when the user/distributor specifically selected udelay or none as
an I/O delay method it makes no sense whatsoever to have the kernel override
that again -- the DMI hack only fixes something for the default case, when
_no_ specific choice had been made (which the current setup can't express
but mine did).
I feel particularly strongly (always) about that "listen to its master" bit.
The kernel does not know better then whomever configured it, even when it does.
Rene.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-12-17 13:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 273+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2007-11-12 16:55 ` [PATCH] x86: fix locking and sync bugs in x86_64 RTC code in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-14 7:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-14 13:10 ` David P. Reed
2007-11-14 18:26 ` Matt Mackall
2007-11-14 21:22 ` David P. Reed
2007-11-12 17:02 ` [PATCH] time: fix typo that makes sync_cmos_clock erratic David P. Reed
2007-11-14 7:57 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-12 19:19 ` David P. Reed
2007-11-14 22:47 ` [PATCH] x86: fix freeze in x86_64 RTC update code in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-14 22:49 ` [PATCH] time: fix typo that makes sync_cmos_clock erratic David P. Reed
2007-11-15 1:14 ` [PATCH] x86: on x86_64, correct reading of PC RTC when update in progress in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-15 19:33 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-15 20:31 ` David P. Reed
2007-11-15 22:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-12-14 2:59 ` [PATCH] x86_64: fix problems due to use of "outb" to port 80 on some AMD64x2 laptops, etc David P. Reed
2007-12-14 7:49 ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-14 9:45 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:36 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:56 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 18:36 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-14 18:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 21:05 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-15 22:59 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-14 10:51 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-14 11:11 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-14 13:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:42 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:10 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 18:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 18:23 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 21:06 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-14 22:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 23:29 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15 3:04 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 5:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 17:17 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 17:46 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-17 22:50 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-17 22:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 8:08 ` Paul Rolland
2007-12-15 8:13 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 20:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 23:26 ` [PATCH] x86: " Rene Herman
2007-12-15 23:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 0:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 13:15 ` [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override Rene Herman
2007-12-16 15:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 1:43 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 2:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 2:19 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 3:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 13:02 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 17:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 19:43 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:02 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 21:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:25 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 15:57 ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 21:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 15:59 ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 16:15 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 16:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 18:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 20:14 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:13 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:07 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 10:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 13:11 ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-02 13:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 13:47 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 15:35 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02 15:50 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 17:32 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 18:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 19:35 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 19:59 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 20:55 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 21:26 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:42 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:42 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 21:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 23:05 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 23:12 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 0:23 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-02 10:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32 ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 17:38 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:35 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 21:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 22:35 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 22:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 23:11 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02 0:25 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02 0:55 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-02 1:00 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02 2:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 17:27 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-01-09 18:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 17:31 ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-01 17:33 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 4:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 10:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 11:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 13:34 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 12:15 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 13:22 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:31 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-17 13:31 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:32 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 13:36 ` Rene Herman [this message]
2007-12-17 14:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 16:12 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-17 16:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 20:48 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 20:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:33 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:50 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:41 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:47 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 22:01 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 22:18 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:38 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-16 21:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 1:48 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 1:53 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 23:12 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 1:56 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 2:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 2:15 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-16 0:23 ` [PATCH] x86: fix problems due to use of "outb" to port 80 on some AMD64x2 laptops, etc David P. Reed
2007-12-15 20:26 ` [PATCH] x86_64: " H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 22:55 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-16 9:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:04 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 23:20 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-18 0:06 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-18 15:49 ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-17 22:46 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-15 7:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-15 7:58 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 13:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-15 14:01 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 20:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 14:29 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15 16:19 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 16:48 ` Mark Lord
2007-12-15 17:51 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15 23:00 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-15 23:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 9:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-16 21:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 23:06 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-16 23:23 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-16 23:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-26 20:49 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-17 1:51 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 16:08 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-15 2:13 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 2:20 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 18:14 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-12-17 18:54 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-19 15:03 ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-30 3:34 [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override Rene Herman
2007-12-30 9:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 12:48 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 13:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:08 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 16:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:21 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 13:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 14:14 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 14:47 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 15:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 15:38 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 16:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:48 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 17:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:14 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 18:39 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 19:33 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 20:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 20:09 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 21:20 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-30 21:36 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 23:14 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-31 0:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 11:59 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 18:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 12:23 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 14:35 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-31 15:56 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 20:22 ` Ondrej Zary
2007-12-31 21:25 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 21:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 23:24 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 23:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-02 3:01 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 17:10 ` Juergen Beisert
2007-12-30 20:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 1:03 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-31 1:40 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 15:47 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 16:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:27 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 17:06 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 17:54 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 18:29 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 18:43 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 20:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:07 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 21:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:29 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 22:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-31 13:11 ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-01 16:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 20:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:28 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 21:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:13 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 15:29 ` Christer Weinigel
2007-12-31 13:21 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-31 12:29 ` Alan Cox
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2007-12-30 17:50 ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-30 18:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 20:56 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:32 ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-30 21:33 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 22:02 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:58 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 20:53 ` H. Peter Anvin
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2008-01-07 19:38 ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 19:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:02 ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:27 ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:59 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-07 23:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 23:26 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-08 0:10 ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-09 21:01 ` Matthieu castet
2008-01-08 12:51 ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 14:09 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-08 14:31 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-07 23:25 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 13:17 ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 14:38 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 3:15 ` Christer Weinigel
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