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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"David P. Reed" <dpreed@reed.com>,
	Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Paul Rolland <rol@as2917.net>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	rol@witbe.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override.
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:44:19 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <477AB433.5070506@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <477AB204.3070904@keyaccess.nl>

Rene Herman wrote:
> On 01-01-08 22:15, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> 
>> I have mentioned this before... I think writing zero to port 0xf0 
>> would be an acceptable pause interface (to the extent where we need an 
>> I/O port) except on 386 with 387 present; on those systems we can fall 
>> back to 0x80.
> 
> PII 400 / Intel 440 BX (PIIX4):
> 
> rene@6bap:~/port80$ su -c ./portime
> out 0x80: 544 cycles
> in  0x80: 254 cycles
> in  0x61: 254 cycles
> out 0xf0: 544 cycles
> 
> The Intel PIIX/PIIX3 datasheet specifically mentions that both reads and 
> writes at 0xf0 "flow through to the ISA bus".
> 
> However, more complete, it says:
> 
> "Writing to this register causes the PIIX/PIIX3 to assert IGNNE#. The 
> PIIX/PIIX3 also negates IRQ13 (internal to the PIIX). Note that IGNNE# 
> is not asserted unless FERR# is active. Reads/writes flow through to the 
> ISA bus".
> 
> We don't want the side-effects, do we?
> 

Yes, we do.  It's exactly this side effect which makes this safer than 
either 0x80 or 0xED -- it's a port that *guaranteed* can't be reclaimed 
for other purposes without breaking MS-DOS compatibility.

It's specifically a side effect *we don't care about*, except in the 
by-now-somewhat-exotic case of 386+387 (where we indeed can't use it 
once user code has touched the FPU -- but we can fall back to 0x80 on 
those, a very small number of systems.)  486+ doesn't use this interface 
under Linux, since Linux uses the proper exception path on those 
processors.  If Compaq had wired up the proper signals on the first 386 
PC motherboards, we wouldn't have cared about it on the 386 either.

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-01 21:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 273+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2007-11-12 16:55                 ` [PATCH] x86: fix locking and sync bugs in x86_64 RTC code in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-14  7:49                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-14 13:10                     ` David P. Reed
2007-11-14 18:26                       ` Matt Mackall
2007-11-14 21:22                         ` David P. Reed
2007-11-12 17:02                 ` [PATCH] time: fix typo that makes sync_cmos_clock erratic David P. Reed
2007-11-14  7:57                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-12 19:19                 ` David P. Reed
2007-11-14 22:47                 ` [PATCH] x86: fix freeze in x86_64 RTC update code in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-14 22:49                 ` [PATCH] time: fix typo that makes sync_cmos_clock erratic David P. Reed
2007-11-15  1:14                 ` [PATCH] x86: on x86_64, correct reading of PC RTC when update in progress in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-15 19:33                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-15 20:31                     ` David P. Reed
2007-11-15 22:17                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-12-14  2:59                 ` [PATCH] x86_64: fix problems due to use of "outb" to port 80 on some AMD64x2 laptops, etc David P. Reed
2007-12-14  7:49                   ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-14  9:45                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:23                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:36                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:46                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:56                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 18:36                             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-14 18:48                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 21:05                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-15 22:59                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-14 10:51                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-14 11:11                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-14 13:15                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:24                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:47                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:41                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:42                     ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:03                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:10                         ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:21                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 18:02                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 18:23                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 21:06                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-14 22:13                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 23:29                           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15  3:04                             ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15  5:45                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 17:17                                 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 17:46                                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-17 22:50                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-17 22:52                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15  8:08                             ` Paul Rolland
2007-12-15  8:13                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 20:27                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 23:26                                   ` [PATCH] x86: " Rene Herman
2007-12-15 23:51                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16  0:05                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 13:15                                       ` [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override Rene Herman
2007-12-16 15:22                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17  1:43                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  2:05                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17  2:19                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  3:35                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 13:02                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 17:14                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 19:43                                                       ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:55                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:02                                                           ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 21:17                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:25                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 15:57                                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 21:16                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 15:59                                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 16:15                                                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 16:43                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 18:45                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 20:14                                                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:13                                                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:07                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 10:04                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 13:11                                                                         ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-02 13:21                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 13:47                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 15:35                                                                           ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02 15:50                                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 17:32                                                                 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 18:46                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 19:35                                                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 19:59                                                                       ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 20:55                                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:24                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:01                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 21:26                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:42                                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:42                                                                           ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 21:50                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:21                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 23:05                                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 23:12                                                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02  0:23                                                                             ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-02 10:00                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32                                                               ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 17:38                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:15                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:35                                                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 21:44                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-01-01 22:35                                                                     ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 22:39                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 23:11                                                                         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02  0:25                                                                           ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02  0:55                                                                           ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-02  1:00                                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02  2:27                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 17:27                                                                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-01-09 18:18                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 17:31                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-01 17:33                                                               ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17  4:09                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 10:57                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 11:29                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 13:34                                                 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 12:15                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:09                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 13:22                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:31                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-17 13:31                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:32                                                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 13:36                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 14:39                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 16:12                                                         ` Alan Cox
2007-12-17 16:48                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 20:48                                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 20:57                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:33                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:40                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:46                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:50                                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:41                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:47                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:56                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 22:01                                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 22:18                                                                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:38                                                         ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:55                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:28                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-16 21:42                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17  1:48                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  1:53                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 23:12                                         ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17  1:56                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  2:04                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17  2:15                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-16  0:23                                     ` [PATCH] x86: fix problems due to use of "outb" to port 80 on some AMD64x2 laptops, etc David P. Reed
2007-12-15 20:26                               ` [PATCH] x86_64: " H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 22:55                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-16  9:27                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:04                             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 23:20                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-18  0:06                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-18 15:49                                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-17 22:46                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-15  7:43                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-15  7:58                         ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 13:27                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-15 14:01                             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 20:25                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 14:29                             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15 16:19                               ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 16:48                                 ` Mark Lord
2007-12-15 17:51                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15 23:00                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-15 23:04                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16  9:40                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-16 21:43                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 23:06                             ` David P. Reed
2007-12-16 23:23                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-16 23:34                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-26 20:49                                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-17  1:51                             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 16:08                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-15  2:13                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15  2:20                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 18:14                       ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-12-17 18:54                         ` Rene Herman
2007-12-19 15:03                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-30  3:34 [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override Rene Herman
2007-12-30  9:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 12:48   ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 13:05     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:08       ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 16:28         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:21           ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 13:03   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 14:14   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 14:47   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 15:28     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 15:38       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 16:01         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:48           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 17:08             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:14             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 18:39               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 19:33                 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 20:00                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 20:09                     ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 21:20                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-30 21:36                       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 23:14                         ` David P. Reed
2007-12-31  0:23                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 11:59                             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 18:19                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 12:23               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 14:35                 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-31 15:56                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 20:22                     ` Ondrej Zary
2007-12-31 21:25                       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 21:47                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 23:24                           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 23:41                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-02  3:01                     ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 17:10         ` Juergen Beisert
2007-12-30 20:50           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31  1:03             ` David P. Reed
2007-12-31  1:40               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 15:47       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 16:07         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:27           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 17:06             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 17:54               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 18:29               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 18:43                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 20:46                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:07                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 21:25                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:29                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 22:03                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-31 13:11                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-01 16:48                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 20:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:28             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 21:54               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:13           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 15:29             ` Christer Weinigel
2007-12-31 13:21           ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-31 12:29             ` Alan Cox
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2007-12-30 17:50       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-30 18:10         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 20:56           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:00             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:32               ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-30 21:33               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 22:02                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:44               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:58                 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 20:53         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:31           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 14:39             ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-31 15:56               ` Alan Cox
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2008-01-07 19:38                       ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 19:46                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:02                           ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:10                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:27                               ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:59                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-07 23:24                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 23:26                                     ` Rene Herman
2008-01-08  0:10                                       ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-09 21:01                                         ` Matthieu castet
2008-01-08 12:51                                       ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 14:09                                         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-08 14:31                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-07 23:25                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 13:17                               ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 14:38                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08  3:15                         ` Christer Weinigel

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