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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Christer Weinigel <christer@weinigel.se>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"David P. Reed" <dpreed@reed.com>,
	Rene Herman <rene.herman@gmail.com>,
	Paul Rolland <rol@as2917.net>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	rol@witbe.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override.
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 13:50:48 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <477AB5B8.2070509@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080101224241.2ce431bd@weinigel.se>

Christer Weinigel wrote:
> 
> And once again, the _p in the code that talks to the PIT is very much
> non-bogus.  And it is a critical path that's called a lot.  The i8253
> PIT and the i8259 interrupt controller are probably the only ones that
> are relevant on a modern machine, and it seems that even some fairly
> modern chipsets have limitations on how fast you can drive them.
> 

I actually analyzed the case of the PIT in the case of the 
implementation of a real chipset.  In our case, running the PIT at 
1.19318 MHz when the rest of the chipset core was running at 100 MHz 
introduced a huge amount of extra complexity and we really wanted to get 
rid of it.  As it turns out, the PIT interface is ill-defined if run at 
a higher frequency; you can get undefined values as a result of a write 
followed by a read if there is no intervening PIT clock, which of course 
in the standard interface never happens.  So in the end, we had to build 
all the synchronizers, backpressure controls and other crap that went 
along with an additional clock domain.

As a result of that experience, I really don't think you will *ever* see 
a PIT that runs at a modern frequency.

Building a 100 MHz PIC, however, was not a problem, and being able to 
sink accesses at full speed meant we didn't have to implement flow control.

	-hpa

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-01 21:53 UTC|newest]

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2007-11-12 16:55                 ` [PATCH] x86: fix locking and sync bugs in x86_64 RTC code in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-14  7:49                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-14 13:10                     ` David P. Reed
2007-11-14 18:26                       ` Matt Mackall
2007-11-14 21:22                         ` David P. Reed
2007-11-12 17:02                 ` [PATCH] time: fix typo that makes sync_cmos_clock erratic David P. Reed
2007-11-14  7:57                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-12 19:19                 ` David P. Reed
2007-11-14 22:47                 ` [PATCH] x86: fix freeze in x86_64 RTC update code in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-14 22:49                 ` [PATCH] time: fix typo that makes sync_cmos_clock erratic David P. Reed
2007-11-15  1:14                 ` [PATCH] x86: on x86_64, correct reading of PC RTC when update in progress in time_64.c David P. Reed
2007-11-15 19:33                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-15 20:31                     ` David P. Reed
2007-11-15 22:17                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-12-14  2:59                 ` [PATCH] x86_64: fix problems due to use of "outb" to port 80 on some AMD64x2 laptops, etc David P. Reed
2007-12-14  7:49                   ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-14  9:45                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:23                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:36                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:46                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:56                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 18:36                             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-14 18:48                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 21:05                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-15 22:59                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-14 10:51                   ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-14 11:11                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-14 13:15                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:24                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:47                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:41                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 13:42                     ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:03                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 14:10                         ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 14:21                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 18:02                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 18:23                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 21:06                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-14 22:13                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 23:29                           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15  3:04                             ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15  5:45                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 17:17                                 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 17:46                                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-17 22:50                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-17 22:52                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15  8:08                             ` Paul Rolland
2007-12-15  8:13                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 20:27                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 23:26                                   ` [PATCH] x86: " Rene Herman
2007-12-15 23:51                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16  0:05                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 13:15                                       ` [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override Rene Herman
2007-12-16 15:22                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17  1:43                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  2:05                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17  2:19                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  3:35                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 13:02                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 17:14                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 19:43                                                       ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:55                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:02                                                           ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 21:17                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:25                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 15:57                                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 21:16                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 15:59                                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 16:15                                                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 16:43                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 18:45                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 20:14                                                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:13                                                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:07                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 10:04                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 13:11                                                                         ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-02 13:21                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 13:47                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 15:35                                                                           ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02 15:50                                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 17:32                                                                 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 18:46                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 19:35                                                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 19:59                                                                       ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 20:55                                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:24                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:01                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 21:26                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:42                                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:42                                                                           ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 21:50                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-01-01 21:21                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 23:05                                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 23:12                                                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02  0:23                                                                             ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-02 10:00                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32                                                               ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 17:38                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:15                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:35                                                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 21:44                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 22:35                                                                     ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 22:39                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 23:11                                                                         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02  0:25                                                                           ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02  0:55                                                                           ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-02  1:00                                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02  2:27                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 17:27                                                                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-01-09 18:18                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 17:31                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-01 17:33                                                               ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17  4:09                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 10:57                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 11:29                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 13:34                                                 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 12:15                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:09                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 13:22                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:31                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-17 13:31                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:32                                                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 13:36                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 14:39                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 16:12                                                         ` Alan Cox
2007-12-17 16:48                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 20:48                                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 20:57                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:33                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:40                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:46                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:50                                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:41                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:47                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:56                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 22:01                                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 22:18                                                                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:38                                                         ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:55                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:28                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-16 21:42                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17  1:48                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  1:53                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 23:12                                         ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17  1:56                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  2:04                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17  2:15                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-16  0:23                                     ` [PATCH] x86: fix problems due to use of "outb" to port 80 on some AMD64x2 laptops, etc David P. Reed
2007-12-15 20:26                               ` [PATCH] x86_64: " H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 22:55                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-16  9:27                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:04                             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 23:20                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-18  0:06                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-18 15:49                                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-12-17 22:46                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-12-15  7:43                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-15  7:58                         ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 13:27                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-15 14:01                             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 20:25                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 14:29                             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15 16:19                               ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15 16:48                                 ` Mark Lord
2007-12-15 17:51                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15 23:00                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-15 23:04                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16  9:40                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-16 21:43                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 23:06                             ` David P. Reed
2007-12-16 23:23                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-16 23:34                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-26 20:49                                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-17  1:51                             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-14 16:08                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-15  2:13                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-15  2:20                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 18:14                       ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2007-12-17 18:54                         ` Rene Herman
2007-12-19 15:03                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-12-30  3:34 [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override Rene Herman
2007-12-30  9:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 12:48   ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 13:05     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:08       ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 16:28         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:21           ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 13:03   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 14:14   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 14:47   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 15:28     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 15:38       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 16:01         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:48           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 17:08             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:14             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 18:39               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 19:33                 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 20:00                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 20:09                     ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 21:20                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-30 21:36                       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 23:14                         ` David P. Reed
2007-12-31  0:23                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 11:59                             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 18:19                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 12:23               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 14:35                 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-31 15:56                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 20:22                     ` Ondrej Zary
2007-12-31 21:25                       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 21:47                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 23:24                           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 23:41                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-02  3:01                     ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 17:10         ` Juergen Beisert
2007-12-30 20:50           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31  1:03             ` David P. Reed
2007-12-31  1:40               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 15:47       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 16:07         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:27           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 17:06             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 17:54               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 18:29               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 18:43                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 20:46                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:07                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 21:25                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:29                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 22:03                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-31 13:11                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-01 16:48                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 20:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:28             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 21:54               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:13           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 15:29             ` Christer Weinigel
2007-12-31 13:21           ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-31 12:29             ` Alan Cox
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2007-12-30 18:10         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 20:56           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:00             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:32               ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-30 21:33               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 22:02                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:44               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:58                 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 20:53         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:31           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 14:39             ` Bodo Eggert
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2008-01-07 19:46                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:02                           ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:10                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:27                               ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:59                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-07 23:24                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 23:26                                     ` Rene Herman
2008-01-08  0:10                                       ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-09 21:01                                         ` Matthieu castet
2008-01-08 12:51                                       ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 14:09                                         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-08 14:31                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-07 23:25                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 13:17                               ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 14:38                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08  3:15                         ` Christer Weinigel

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