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From: Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>
To: Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Christer Weinigel <christer@weinigel.se>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"David P. Reed" <dpreed@reed.com>, Paul Rolland <rol@as2917.net>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	rol@witbe.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override.
Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:09:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4783841C.1030002@keyaccess.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.0.999.0801081333530.12636@be1.lrz>

On 08-01-08 13:51, Bodo Eggert wrote:

> On Tue, 8 Jan 2008, Rene Herman wrote:

>>>> Is this only about the ones then left for things like legacy PIC and PIT?
>>>> Does anyone care about just sticking in a udelay(2) (or 1) there as a
>>>> replacement and call it a day?
>>>>
>>> PIT is problematic because the PIT may be necessary for udelay setup.
>> Yes, can initialise loops_per_jiffy conservatively. Just didn't quite get why
>> you guys are talking about an ISA bus speed parameter.
> 
> If the ISA bus is below 8 MHz, we might need a longer delay. If we default
> to the longer delay, the delay will be too long for more than 99,99 % of 
> all systems, not counting i586+. Especially if the driver is fine-tuned to 
> give maximum throughput, this may be bad.

Yes, and I repeat -- old legacy ISA drivers can stay as they are. They've 
been doing what they've been doing for 15 years and given that the systems 
that break don't use them there is no practical upside to changing them and 
a big downside particularly with respect to difficulty of testing.

A somewhat overly long delay shouldn't be particularly problematic for the 
few remaining legacy hardware users _outside_ drivers/

Rene.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-08 14:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 242+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2008-01-07 19:38                       ` [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 19:46                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:02                           ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:10                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:27                               ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:59                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-07 23:24                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 23:26                                     ` Rene Herman
2008-01-08  0:10                                       ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-08  0:13                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-08  1:38                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 17:10                                             ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-08 17:24                                               ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 17:38                                                 ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-08 18:44                                                   ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 18:51                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 19:15                                                       ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 19:23                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 19:51                                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-09  2:52                                                         ` Zachary Amsden
2008-01-09  5:19                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 21:53                                                             ` Zachary Amsden
2008-01-09 22:22                                                               ` David P. Reed
2008-01-11  1:36                                                                 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-01-11  3:05                                                                   ` Rene Herman
2008-01-11 14:35                                                                     ` David P. Reed
2008-01-11 14:37                                                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-01-11 15:07                                                                         ` David P. Reed
2008-01-11 17:54                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-11 14:49                                                                       ` Rene Herman
2008-01-14 21:57                                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-01-14 22:22                                                                         ` David P. Reed
2008-01-16 14:36                                                                           ` David Newall
2008-01-16 14:55                                                                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-16 19:15                                                                               ` David Newall
2008-01-16 20:08                                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-17  6:25                                                                                   ` David Newall
2008-01-17 12:02                                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-17 13:36                                                                                       ` David Newall
2008-01-17 13:55                                                                                         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-17 21:58                                                                                           ` David Newall
2008-01-17 22:13                                                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-18 13:37                                                                                               ` David Newall
2008-01-18 14:05                                                                                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-17 15:51                                                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-09  5:30                                                           ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-09 14:42                                                             ` David P. Reed
2008-01-09 15:27                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-09 18:17                                                               ` Zachary Amsden
2008-01-09 18:18                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 20:26                                                                   ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-09 21:59                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 18:22                                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-01-09 18:27                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-08 19:25                                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-08 20:28                                                       ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 21:43                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-08 22:24                                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 18:51                                                   ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 19:13                                                     ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-09 21:01                                         ` Matthieu castet
2008-01-08 12:51                                       ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 13:07                                         ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-08 14:37                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 14:09                                         ` Rene Herman [this message]
2008-01-08 14:31                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-07 23:57                                     ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-08  1:58                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-01-07 23:25                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 13:17                               ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 14:38                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08  3:15                         ` Christer Weinigel
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2007-12-30 17:50       ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-30 18:10         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 20:56           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:00             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:32               ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-30 21:33               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 22:02                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:44               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:58                 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 20:53         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 21:31           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 14:39             ` Bodo Eggert
2007-12-31 15:56               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30  3:34 Rene Herman
2007-12-30  9:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 12:48   ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 13:05     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:08       ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 16:28         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:21           ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 13:03   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 14:14   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 14:47   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 15:28     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 15:38       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 16:01         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:48           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 17:08             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:14             ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 18:39               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 19:33                 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 20:00                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 20:09                     ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 21:20                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-30 21:36                       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 23:14                         ` David P. Reed
2007-12-31  0:23                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 11:59                             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 18:19                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 12:23               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 14:35                 ` Rene Herman
2007-12-31 15:56                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 20:22                     ` Ondrej Zary
2007-12-31 21:25                       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 21:47                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31 23:24                           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 23:41                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-02  3:01                     ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 17:10         ` Juergen Beisert
2007-12-30 20:50           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-31  1:03             ` David P. Reed
2007-12-31  1:40               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-30 15:47       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 16:07         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 16:27           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 17:06             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 17:54               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 18:29               ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 18:43                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-30 20:46                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:07                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-30 21:25                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:29                   ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 22:03                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-31 13:11                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-01 16:48                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 18:40         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-30 20:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:28             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-30 21:54               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-30 21:13           ` Alan Cox
2007-12-31 15:29             ` Christer Weinigel
2007-12-31 13:21           ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-31 12:29             ` Alan Cox
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2007-12-14  2:59             ` [PATCH] x86_64: fix problems due to use of "outb" to port 80 on some AMD64x2 laptops, etc David P. Reed
2007-12-14 13:15               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-14 18:02                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 21:06                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-14 22:13                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-14 23:29                       ` Alan Cox
2007-12-15  8:08                         ` Paul Rolland
2007-12-15  8:13                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-15 20:27                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-15 23:26                               ` [PATCH] x86: " Rene Herman
2007-12-15 23:51                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 13:15                                   ` [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override Rene Herman
2007-12-16 15:22                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17  1:43                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  2:05                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17  2:19                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  3:35                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 13:02                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 17:14                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 19:43                                                   ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:55                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:02                                                       ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 21:17                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:25                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 15:57                                                       ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 21:16                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 15:59                                                       ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 16:15                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 16:43                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32                                                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 18:45                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 20:14                                                                 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:13                                                                   ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:07                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 10:04                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 13:47                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 15:35                                                                       ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02 15:50                                                                         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 17:32                                                             ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 18:46                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 19:35                                                                 ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 19:59                                                                   ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 20:55                                                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:24                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:01                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 21:26                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:42                                                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 21:42                                                                       ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 21:50                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:21                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 23:05                                                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-01 23:12                                                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02  0:23                                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-02 10:00                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32                                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 17:38                                                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 21:15                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 21:35                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 21:44                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 22:35                                                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-01 22:39                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 23:11                                                                     ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02  0:25                                                                       ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02  0:55                                                                       ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-02  1:00                                                                         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-02  2:27                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 17:27                                                                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2008-01-09 18:18                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-01 17:31                                                         ` Pavel Machek
2008-01-01 17:33                                                           ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17  4:09                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 10:57                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 11:29                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 13:34                                             ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 12:15                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:09                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 13:22                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:31                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-12-17 13:31                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 13:32                                                 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 13:36                                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 14:39                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 16:12                                                     ` Alan Cox
2007-12-17 16:48                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 20:48                                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 20:57                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:33                                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:40                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:46                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:50                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:41                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 21:47                                                           ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 21:56                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 22:01                                                               ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17 22:18                                                                 ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:38                                                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 19:55                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 21:28                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-16 21:42                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17  1:48                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  1:53                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-16 23:12                                     ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17  1:56                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-12-17  2:04                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17  2:15                                           ` Rene Herman

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