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From: Tilman Schmidt <tilman@imap.cc>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Gregory Nietsky <gregory@networksentry.co.za>,
	Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	kkeil@suse.de, isdn4linux@listserv.isdn4linux.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Subject: Re: Plans for mISDN?
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:23:32 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47BC7024.3010201@imap.cc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47BC5B5B.90308@firstfloor.org>

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Am 20.02.2008 17:54 schrieb Andi Kleen:
>> mISDN has two problems, which are of course interrelated:
>>
>> a) complete lack of documentation for the in-kernel driver interface
>>    (equivalent of Documentation/isdn/INTERFACE)
> 
> Most subsystems in the kernel would disqualify under that rule

I beg to differ. Most subsystems do have at least rudimentary
documentation. (I'm spoiled by the USB subsystem, of course. :-)

> Did you ever look for full documentation on how to write Ethernet
> drivers for example? Some bits are documented, but far from all

I am not asking for "full documentation". "Some bits" would amply
suffice. Documentation/isdn/INTERFACE, the interface description
for the "old" isdn4linux subsystem, is far from complete, either.
But it contains enough hints so that I knew where to start.

>> (maintainer of an isdn4linux driver, waiting desperately for
>> documentation on how to convert to the new CAPI/mISDN world
>> but tired of asking for it in vain)
> 
> My advice is that you just read the source of some existing drivers
> for examples and copy them and of the subsystem itself if anything is
> unclear. That is how Linux drivers are usually written.

Usually, yes. But I find it unusually hard in this particular case.
In fact I have been trying to do that for two years now, without
getting anywhere. Reading code without a hint of what the authors
are trying to do is terribly time-consuming, to put it mildly.

Thanks,
T.

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-20 18:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-16  4:41 [PATCH 00/14] [ISDN] convert HiSax to hotplug APIs Jeff Garzik
2008-02-16  4:41 ` [PATCH 01/14] [ISDN] HiSax: modularization prep Jeff Garzik
2007-07-18  3:46   ` [PATCH 04/14] [ISDN] HiSax bkm_a4t: convert to PCI hotplug API Jeff Garzik
2007-07-18  3:49   ` [PATCH 05/14] [ISDN] HiSax enternow: " Jeff Garzik
2007-07-18  3:54   ` [PATCH 06/14] [ISDN] HiSax hfc_pci, w6692: " Jeff Garzik
2007-07-18  3:59   ` [PATCH 07/14] [ISDN] HiSax nj_s, nj_u: " Jeff Garzik
2007-07-18  4:02   ` [PATCH 08/14] [ISDN] HiSax telespci: " Jeff Garzik
2007-07-24 12:26   ` [PATCH 11/14] [ISDN] HiSax niccy: convert to modern ISA/PNP/PCI probing Jeff Garzik
2007-08-02 12:37   ` [PATCH 14/14] [ISDN] HiSax bkm_a8: convert to PCI hotplug API Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31  5:10   ` [PATCH 03/14] [ISDN] Ready HiSax driver for modularization Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31  5:11   ` [PATCH 09/14] [ISDN] HiSax avm_pci: convert to modern PCI/ISA/PNP probing Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31  5:12   ` [PATCH 10/14] [ISDN] HiSax gazel: convert to modern ISA/PCI probing Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31  5:13   ` [PATCH 13/14] [ISDN] HiSax diva: convert to modern ISA/PNP/PCI probing Jeff Garzik
2007-10-31  7:42   ` [PATCH 02/14] [ISDN] Hisax: eliminate many unnecessary references to CardType[] Jeff Garzik
2008-02-16 19:17   ` [PATCH 12/14] [ISDN] HiSax avm_pci, niccy: minor PNP fixes and cleanups Jeff Garzik
2008-02-17 19:52 ` Plans for mISDN? Was: [PATCH 00/14] [ISDN] Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-18  4:52   ` Greg KH
2008-02-18 12:08     ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-18 12:04       ` Alan Cox
2008-02-18 12:36       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-18 13:29         ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-19  8:50       ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-19  9:25         ` Gregory Nietsky
2008-02-19  9:54           ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-20 14:19           ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-02-20 14:23             ` Alan Cox
2008-02-20 16:54             ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-20 18:23               ` Tilman Schmidt [this message]
2008-02-20 19:04               ` Gregory Nietsky
2008-02-20 22:47                 ` Plans for mISDN? Tilman Schmidt
2008-02-21 10:33             ` Plans for mISDN? Was: [PATCH 00/14] [ISDN] Simon Richter
2008-02-21 19:38               ` Gregory Nietsky
2008-02-21 19:46               ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-21 23:19                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-21 23:30                   ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-21 23:40                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-22 12:04               ` Karsten Keil
2008-02-23 19:39                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-25 14:39                 ` Plans for mISDN? Tilman Schmidt
2008-03-03 17:32                   ` Karsten Keil
2008-02-19  9:40         ` Plans for mISDN? Was: [PATCH 00/14] [ISDN] Andi Kleen
2008-02-19  9:56           ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-19  9:58             ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-19 10:51               ` Armin Schindler
2008-02-19 11:55               ` Sam Ravnborg
2008-02-19 16:12                 ` Gregory Nietsky
2008-02-19 16:14               ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-02-20 14:24                 ` Tilman Schmidt

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