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From: Alexey Starikovskiy <aystarik@gmail.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	suspend-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Jeff Chua <jeff.chua.linux@gmail.com>,
	Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>, Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, Jesse Barnes <jesse.barnes@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Suspend-devel] 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off after suspend-to-disk. Screen becomes green.
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 00:26:12 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47BC9AF4.10807@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200802202145.01882.rjw@sisk.pl>

Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Wednesday, 20 of February 2008, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>   
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>     
>>> I think we should export the target sleep state somehow.
>>>       
>> Yeah. By *not* using "->suspend()" for freezing or hibernate.
>>
>> Please, Rafael - just make the f*cking suspend-to-disk use other routines 
>> already.
>>     
>
> Okay, I think I'll just start sending patches for that, but rather not earlier
> than in the 2.6.27 time frame.  No one else works on that and I've been busy
> with other things recently.  Besides, I'm not even a full time kernel
> developer ...
>
>   
Rafael,
If I can help, please  say so.

Regards,
Alex.
>> 99% of all hardware needs to do exactly *nothing* on suspend-to-disk, and the
>> ones that really do need things tend to need to not do a whole lot.
>>
>> For example, the "freeze" action for USB (which is one of the hardest 
>> things to suspend) should literally be something like just setting the 
>> controller STOP bit, and waiting for it to have stopped. The "unfreeze" 
>> should be to just clear the stop bit, while the "restart" should be just a 
>> controller reset to use the current memory image.
>>
>> NONE OF THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING TO DO WITH SUSPEND.
>>
>> It never did. I've told people so for years. Maybe actually seeing the 
>> problems will make people realize.
>>     
>
> I think so.
>
>   
>> So please, we shouldn't call "->suspend[_late]" or "->resume[_early]" at 
>> all. Not with PMSG_FREEZE, not with PMSG_*anything*.
>>
>> Can we please get this fixed some day? 
>>     
>
> Yes, we can (hopefully).
>
> Thanks,
> Rafael
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-20 21:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-20 17:17 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off after suspend-to-disk. Screen becomes green Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 17:19 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 17:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 17:37   ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 17:52     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 18:02       ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-21 19:43         ` [Suspend-devel] 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off aftersuspend-to-disk. " Romano Giannetti
2008-02-21 21:02           ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22  0:20             ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22  0:23               ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22  0:42                 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22  0:46                   ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22  0:52                     ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22  1:02                       ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22  1:27                         ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22  1:28                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-22  1:35                           ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22 10:37                   ` Matthew Garrett
2008-02-22 13:06                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-22 16:10                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 16:50                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-22 18:01                       ` Matthew Garrett
2008-02-23 11:17                         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-22  0:31               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22  0:42                 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22  1:01                   ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-22  1:06                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22  0:46                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-22  0:54                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22  1:13                     ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22  1:44                       ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22 23:31                         ` i915 hibernation patch (was: Re: [Suspend-devel] 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off aftersuspend-to-disk. Screen becomes green.) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23  1:00                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-23  1:55                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23  2:07                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-23  4:36                                 ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-23 18:13                                   ` [PATCH] PM: Introduce PM_EVENT_HIBERNATE (was: Re: i915 hibernation patch (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer ...)) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23 18:43                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-24  8:29                                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-24 15:21                                       ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-24  4:16                                     ` Mirco Tischler
2008-02-24 11:11                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-24 11:25                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-23 11:17                               ` i915 hibernation patch (was: Re: [Suspend-devel] 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off aftersuspend-to-disk. Screen becomes green.) Pavel Machek
2008-02-20 17:54   ` 2.6.25-rc2 System no longer powers off after suspend-to-disk. Screen becomes green Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 18:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-18  6:31       ` [Suspend-devel] " Pavel Machek
2008-02-20 18:49       ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 19:25         ` Matthew Garrett
2008-02-20 18:57       ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 17:50 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 18:29   ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 18:53     ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 19:10       ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 19:18         ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 20:09           ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 20:14             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 20:29               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 20:33                 ` [Suspend-devel] " Pablo Sanchez
2008-02-20 20:41                 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 21:13                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 21:44                     ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 22:22                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-21  8:30                         ` david
2008-02-22 16:56                           ` Mark Lord
2008-02-22 17:02                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 17:32                               ` Mark Lord
2008-02-22 17:44                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 19:23                                   ` david
2008-02-22 23:16                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 22:36                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 23:13                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-20 23:35                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21  0:00                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-21  0:13                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21  0:25                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-21  0:59                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22 16:54                             ` Mark Lord
2008-02-20 22:45                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-02-21  0:13                         ` Matthew Garrett
2008-02-21  0:40                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-02-21  0:46                             ` Greg KH
2008-02-21  1:17                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-02-21  4:43                                 ` Greg KH
2008-02-21  6:05                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-02-21  6:37                                     ` Greg KH
2008-02-21  1:10                             ` Matthew Garrett
2008-02-21  1:25                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-02-20 20:45                 ` [Suspend-devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 21:26                   ` Alexey Starikovskiy [this message]
2008-02-20 21:37         ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-21  0:35           ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-21  0:39             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-21  1:19               ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-21  1:21                 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-21  1:49                   ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-21  2:00               ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-21 16:27                 ` [Suspend-devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 18:34                   ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-21 20:30                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 22:11                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21 23:45                       ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-22  0:28                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-22  0:48                         ` Jeff Chua
2008-02-20 22:32         ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 23:03           ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 23:34             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-20 23:49               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-21  0:17                 ` Jesse Barnes
2008-02-21  1:07                   ` [Suspend-devel] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-02-20 18:47 ` Mark Lord

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