From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Adrian Bunk <bunk@kernel.org>, Roland Dreier <rdreier@cisco.com>,
Glenn Streiff <gstreiff@NetEffect.com>,
Faisal Latif <flatif@NetEffect.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, general@lists.openfabrics.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <greg@kroah.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Subject: Re: Merging of completely unreviewed drivers
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:20:12 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47BF206C.8040001@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080222185359.GA29945@elte.hu>
Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 2) you might know that Deja-Vu moment when you look at a new patch that
> has been submitted to lkml and you have a strange, weird "feeling"
> that there's something wrong about the patch.
>
> It's totally subconscious, and you take a closer look and a few
> seconds later you find a real bug in the code.
>
> That "feeling" i believe comes from a fundamental property of how
> human vision is connected to the human brain: pattern matching.
> Really good programmers have built a "library" of patterns of "good"
> and "bad" looking coding practices.
>
> If a patch or if a file has a clean _style_, bugs and deeper
> structural problems often stand out like a sore thumb. But if the
[...]
> The best programmers are the ones who have a good eye for details -
> and that subconsciously extends to "style details" too. I've yet to
> see a _single_ example of a good, experienced kernel programmer who
> writes code that looks absolutely careless and sloppy, but which is
> top-notch otherwise. (Newbies will make style mistakes a lot more
> often - and for them checkpatch is a nice and easy experience at
> reading other people's code and trying to learn the style of the
> kernel.)
[...]
> 4) there's a psychological effect as well: clean _looking_ code is
> more attractive to coders to improve upon. Once the code _looks_
> clean (mechanically), the people with the real structural cleanups
> are not far away either. Code that just looks nice is simply more of
> a pleasure to work with and to improve, so there's a strong
> psychological relationship between the "small, seemingly unimportant
> details" cleanups and the real, structural cleanups.
The above deserved to be quoted... just because I agree with all of it
so strongly :)
Bugs really do "hide" in ugly code, in part because my brain has been
optimized to review clean code.
Like everything else in life, one must strike a balance between picking
style nits with someone's patch, and making honest criticisms of a patch
because said patch is too "unclean" to be reviewed by anyone.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-02-22 19:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-02-19 22:59 [2.6 patch] infiniband/hw/nes/nes_verbs.c: fix off-by-one Adrian Bunk
2008-02-20 4:23 ` [ofa-general] " Roland Dreier
2008-02-20 5:57 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-20 23:21 ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-20 23:27 ` Glenn Streiff
2008-02-21 12:39 ` Glenn Streiff
2008-02-21 15:49 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-21 20:28 ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-21 21:01 ` Merging of completely unreviewed drivers Adrian Bunk
2008-02-21 21:09 ` Roland Dreier
2008-02-21 21:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-21 22:33 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-02-21 22:43 ` Greg KH
2008-02-21 22:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-21 22:58 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-02-21 23:31 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-21 23:38 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-21 23:31 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-22 0:29 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-21 23:41 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-22 0:05 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-22 0:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-22 2:02 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-22 10:04 ` Alan Cox
2008-02-22 18:45 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-22 22:44 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-23 9:43 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-23 12:38 ` David Newall
2008-02-23 15:25 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-24 3:18 ` David Newall
2008-02-23 17:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-24 3:26 ` David Newall
2008-02-24 4:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-23 13:58 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-22 1:46 ` David Newall
2008-02-22 2:06 ` Al Viro
2008-02-22 2:23 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-22 3:13 ` Al Viro
2008-02-22 22:28 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-24 7:47 ` Jörn Engel
2008-02-24 14:47 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-22 3:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-22 6:29 ` [ofa-general] " Junio C Hamano
2008-02-22 9:02 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-22 6:37 ` Ray Lee
2008-02-23 15:31 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-24 3:22 ` David Newall
2008-02-22 22:37 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-22 12:29 ` [ofa-general] " Bart Van Assche
2008-02-22 14:25 ` David Newall
2008-02-22 15:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-02-22 16:48 ` John W. Linville
2008-02-22 22:59 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-02-22 23:14 ` Al Viro
2008-02-22 15:48 ` John W. Linville
2008-02-22 18:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-22 19:11 ` [ofa-general] " Bart Van Assche
2008-02-22 19:20 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2008-02-22 19:44 ` Greg KH
2008-02-21 21:30 ` Greg KH
2008-02-22 1:06 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-21 22:08 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-02-21 22:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-02-21 23:40 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-02-22 18:40 ` Pavel Machek
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