Google's Summer of Code?

Google's Summer of Code?

[Pekka Enberg]

Hi all,

Are there any plans to send an application of Linux kernel as a mentor
organization for Google's Summer of Code this year? I think there are
probably a lot of students interested in hacking on the kernel. And
no, I am not volunteering to send that application but I would be
interested in being a mentor.

			Pekka

Re: Google's Summer of Code?

[Linus Torvalds]

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Pekka Enberg wrote:
>
> Are there any plans to send an application of Linux kernel as a mentor
> organization for Google's Summer of Code this year? I think there are
> probably a lot of students interested in hacking on the kernel. And
> no, I am not volunteering to send that application but I would be
> interested in being a mentor.

We haven't done it before (afaik), and I don't think we've had anybody 
sign up to suggest a project and mentor it. It's probably worth talking to 
people in other projects that have done the gsoc thing before. 

And no, I'm not going to do that "mentor organization" application thing 
either, but there's bound to be *somebody* who wants to do it. Maybe it 
could even be done as part of the Linux-foundation drive (currently LSB 
and OpenPrinting, no kernel projects). See

	https://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Google_Summer_of_Code

and maybe we can add a kernel thing to there.

		Linus

Re: Google's Summer of Code?

[Pekka Enberg]

Hi Linus,

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Pekka Enberg wrote:
>  > Are there any plans to send an application of Linux kernel as a mentor
>  > organization for Google's Summer of Code this year? I think there are
>  > probably a lot of students interested in hacking on the kernel. And
>  > no, I am not volunteering to send that application but I would be
>  > interested in being a mentor.

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>  We haven't done it before (afaik), and I don't think we've had anybody
>  sign up to suggest a project and mentor it. It's probably worth talking to
>  people in other projects that have done the gsoc thing before.
>
>  And no, I'm not going to do that "mentor organization" application thing
>  either, but there's bound to be *somebody* who wants to do it. Maybe it
>  could even be done as part of the Linux-foundation drive (currently LSB
>  and OpenPrinting, no kernel projects). See
>
>         https://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Google_Summer_of_Code
>
>  and maybe we can add a kernel thing to there.

Well, to that particular someone out there, please let me know where
to sign up as a mentor. I am also wondering if such a high profile
project as the kernel can get away with not having a "project ideas"
list which would make things real easy for the administrator(s)...

                                 Pekka

Re: Google's Summer of Code?

[Alexey Zaytsev]

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi> wrote:
> Hi Linus,
>
>
>  On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Pekka Enberg wrote:
>  >  > Are there any plans to send an application of Linux kernel as a mentor
>  >  > organization for Google's Summer of Code this year? I think there are
>  >  > probably a lot of students interested in hacking on the kernel. And
>  >  > no, I am not volunteering to send that application but I would be
>  >  > interested in being a mentor.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Linus Torvalds
>  <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>  >  We haven't done it before (afaik), and I don't think we've had anybody
>  >  sign up to suggest a project and mentor it. It's probably worth talking to
>  >  people in other projects that have done the gsoc thing before.
>  >
>  >  And no, I'm not going to do that "mentor organization" application thing
>  >  either, but there's bound to be *somebody* who wants to do it. Maybe it
>  >  could even be done as part of the Linux-foundation drive (currently LSB
>  >  and OpenPrinting, no kernel projects). See
>  >
>  >         https://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Google_Summer_of_Code
>  >
>  >  and maybe we can add a kernel thing to there.
>
>  Well, to that particular someone out there, please let me know where
>  to sign up as a mentor. I am also wondering if such a high profile
>  project as the kernel can get away with not having a "project ideas"
>  list which would make things real easy for the administrator(s)...
>
>                                  Pekka
>

Maybe the Kernelnewbies should stand up as the mentoring organisation?

Re: Google's Summer of Code?

[Andrew Morton]

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:55:14 +0200
"Pekka Enberg" <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi> wrote:

> I am also wondering if such a high profile
> project as the kernel can get away with not having a "project ideas"
> list which would make things real easy for the administrator(s)...

http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelProjects

There are surely many more things we could put there.

I receive a dribble of emails about the setrlimit64/getrlimit64 one, so
people are looking at it, and are looking to do work.  (I haven't usefully
responded to those emails, btw - am not sure how my name got on that one -
probably Ulrich would be better).

Re: Google's Summer of Code?

[Rik van Riel]

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:05:34 +0300
"Alexey Zaytsev" <alexey.zaytsev@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:55 PM, Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi> wrote:
> >  On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Pekka Enberg wrote:
> >  >  > Are there any plans to send an application of Linux kernel as a mentor
> >  >  > organization for Google's Summer of Code this year? I think there are
> >  >  > probably a lot of students interested in hacking on the kernel. And
> >  >  > no, I am not volunteering to send that application but I would be
> >  >  > interested in being a mentor.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Linus Torvalds
> >  <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> >  >  We haven't done it before (afaik), and I don't think we've had anybody
> >  >  sign up to suggest a project and mentor it. It's probably worth talking to
> >  >  people in other projects that have done the gsoc thing before.

Actually, I have a list of possible projects online already:

http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelProjects

The list is on a wiki and "unfiltered", so we may need to look into the
quality of the proposals a bit more before Summer of Code, and/or accept
proposals by the Summer of Code volunteers and help them make sure their
proposals are useful.

> Maybe the Kernelnewbies should stand up as the mentoring organisation?

Kernelnewbies is just a community of people, without much organization.

However, I would be happy to coordinate a group of mentors for Linux
kernel Summer of Code as well as be a mentor for the kernel subsystems
that I know something about.

If we can find mentors to cover most of the kernel (volunteers? anyone?),
we can do a good enough job of mentoring the students that we could sign
up for Summer of Code.

Summer of Code could also be a good way to get some kernel related work
done, for example LTP tests for kernel subsystems that do not have a
test suite yet.  Maybe not the most interesting work, but it can be very
educational as well as useful - that and $5000 may be enough to motivate
students to get some of this "boring work" done :)

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Re: Google's Summer of Code?

[Andi Kleen]

Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> writes:

> On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 21:55:14 +0200
> "Pekka Enberg" <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi> wrote:
>
>> I am also wondering if such a high profile
>> project as the kernel can get away with not having a "project ideas"
>> list which would make things real easy for the administrator(s)...
>
> http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelProjects
>
> There are surely many more things we could put there.
>
> I receive a dribble of emails about the setrlimit64/getrlimit64 one, so
> people are looking at it, and are looking to do work.  (I haven't usefully
> responded to those emails, btw - am not sure how my name got on that one -
> probably Ulrich would be better).

http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=119981029708530&w=2

is also a candidate. There are still quite a lot of unconverted 
drivers over.

-Andi

Re: Google's Summer of Code?

[Avi Kivity]

Pekka Enberg wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Are there any plans to send an application of Linux kernel as a mentor
> organization for Google's Summer of Code this year? I think there are
> probably a lot of students interested in hacking on the kernel. And
> no, I am not volunteering to send that application but I would be
> interested in being a mentor.
>   

kvm will apply, and though some of the work will be in userspace, we'd 
like to have kernel contributions as well.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.

Re: Google's Summer of Code?

[Casey Schaufler]

----- Original Message ----
> From: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
> To: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
> Cc: Linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>; Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>; Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>; Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>; Vegard Nossum <vegard.nossum@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 4, 2008 12:51:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Google's Summer of Code?
> 
> Pekka Enberg wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Are there any plans to send an application of Linux kernel as a mentor
> > organization for Google's Summer of Code this year? I think there are
> > probably a lot of students interested in hacking on the kernel. And
> > no, I am not volunteering to send that application but I would be
> > interested in being a mentor.
> > 
> 
> kvm will apply, and though some of the work will be in userspace, we'd 
> like to have kernel contributions as well.

As will Smack, the mandatory access control model of the future,
 
Casey Schaufler
casey@schaufler-ca.com 

Re: Google's Summer of Code?

[Avi Kivity]

Casey Schaufler wrote:
>
>> kvm will apply, and though some of the work will be in userspace, we'd 
>> like to have kernel contributions as well.
>>     
>
> As will Smack, the mandatory access control model of the future,
>   

I need to take marketing lessons.  "kvm, the most scalable and flexible 
virtual machine monitor, will apply etc."


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Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.

Re: Google's Summer of Code?

[Giacomo A. Catenazzi]

Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 23:05:34 +0300
> "Alexey Zaytsev" <alexey.zaytsev@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Maybe the Kernelnewbies should stand up as the mentoring organisation?
> 
> Kernelnewbies is just a community of people, without much organization.
> 
> However, I would be happy to coordinate a group of mentors for Linux
> kernel Summer of Code as well as be a mentor for the kernel subsystems
> that I know something about.
> 
> If we can find mentors to cover most of the kernel (volunteers? anyone?),
> we can do a good enough job of mentoring the students that we could sign
> up for Summer of Code.
> 
> Summer of Code could also be a good way to get some kernel related work
> done, for example LTP tests for kernel subsystems that do not have a
> test suite yet.  Maybe not the most interesting work, but it can be very
> educational as well as useful - that and $5000 may be enough to motivate
> students to get some of this "boring work" done :)

I propose and I could mentor two projects about automagical kernel
configuration:

- add support to menuconfig, to show what you should enable (not
really an automagical configuration, but more an helper which
know better(?) your hardware).
- new ideas about hardware/protocol detection and detection heuristics.

I've already done some parts: generating an hardware->kernel driver
database ( http://cateee.net/lkddb/ ), and a working prototype of
autoconfiguration ( http://testing.cateee.net/autokernconf/ ).

I really want to have new ideas and other developers. I think the
idea are appealing to students, and it doesn't requires a lot of
knowledge of kernel internal.

ciao
	cate

Re: Google's Summer of Code?

[Romano Giannetti]

On Wed, 2008-03-05 at 14:57 +0100, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> - add support to menuconfig, to show what you should enable (not
> really an automagical configuration, but more an helper which
> know better(?) your hardware).

Yes, this would be a tool worth Infinite Distinction for a lot of Linux
users. Say I have a new laptop and I want to configure the kernel build
based on a) the (probably similar to allmodconfig) distribution .config,
and b) the set of loaded modules. It should be possible to dig into
Kconfig files and output a first-shot .config, which will save to
potential testers of new kernels hours of compilation and/or trimming 
down `grep CONFIG .config | wc -l` (2267) configuration options.

Thanks for proposing the idea.

Romano 


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Re: Google's Summer of Code?

[Pekka Enberg]

Hi all,

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com> wrote:
>  Kernelnewbies is just a community of people, without much organization.
>
>  However, I would be happy to coordinate a group of mentors for Linux
>  kernel Summer of Code as well as be a mentor for the kernel subsystems
>  that I know something about.
>
>  If we can find mentors to cover most of the kernel (volunteers? anyone?),
>  we can do a good enough job of mentoring the students that we could sign
>  up for Summer of Code.

Ok, so we're planning to participate via Linux Foundation. You can add
your project ideas here:

https://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Google_Summer_of_Code

And sign up as a volunteering mentor here:

http://kernelnewbies.org/GoogleSummerOfCodeMentors

                                Pekka