From: Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind@yandex.ru>
To: "Jörn Engel" <joern@logfs.org>
Cc: Adrian Hunter <ext-adrian.hunter@nokia.com>,
Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@computergmbh.de>,
Artem Bityutskiy <Artem.Bityutskiy@nokia.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
joern@lazybastard.org
Subject: UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:26:37 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47F1C78D.2050300@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080331132047.GA31660@logfs.org>
I've renamed the thread because I do not like this flamish discussion
to me mixed with the technical one.
Jörn Engel wrote:
> Shiny numbers! Performance has improved significantly in the last six
> month. Still worth a closer look.
We'll re-run them. Does logfs support write-back? Does it support compression?
Is this patch the right one we should look at:
>> 3. logfs does not seem to have bad-block handling.
>
> Bad blocks at mkfs time are handled, blocks turning bad later on aren't
> yet.
This basically means it is unfinished. Handling dynamic bad blocks is a *must*
if you are going to work on NAND, especially on MLC NAND which are not as
reliable as SLC.
I think you should bluntly say about this when you submit patches to prevent
people from starting using it in production.
UBI handles I/O errors and gracefully recovers the data. And it will not be
easy to do this in LogFS at all. If you have write error in the middle of an
eraseblock, you have to recover data which means correcting all the indexing
data structures which refer the data you recover. Correcting them may require
garbage collection, because you have to update them out of place. And what
do you do if you are already in the middle of doing garbage-collection?
In other words, I believe it will take a lot of time and efforts to implement
this. And any speculation about the number of lines of code makes no sense
before you finish your work.
>> 4. logfs does not seem to have wear-leveling.
> It does.
Could you please point the core functions which implement this and shortly
describe the algorithm?
I grep'ed for "wear" and "leveling" and found only one match. Where should
I look at?
--
Best Regards,
Artem Bityutskiy (Артём Битюцкий)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-01 5:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-03-27 14:55 [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 01/26] VFS: introduce writeback_inodes_sb() Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 02/26] UBIFS: add I/O sub-system Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 03/26] UBIFS: add flash scanning Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 04/26] UBIFS: add journal replay Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 05/26] UBIFS: add file-system build Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-28 10:12 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-28 11:04 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 06/26] UBIFS: add superblock and master node Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 07/26] UBIFS: add file-system recovery Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 08/26] UBIFS: add compression support Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 09/26] UBIFS: add key helpers Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 10/26] UBIFS: add the journal Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 11/26] UBIFS: add commit functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 12/26] UBIFS: add TNC implementation Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 13/26] UBIFS: add TNC commit implementation Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 14/26] UBIFS: add TNC shrinker Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 15/26] UBIFS: add LEB properties Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 16/26] UBIFS: add LEB properties tree Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 17/26] " Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 18/26] UBIFS: add LEB find subsystem Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 19/26] UBIFS: add Garbage Collector Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 2:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 20/26] UBIFS: add VFS operations Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 13:36 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-27 13:42 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 12:08 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 12:42 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 13:12 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 14:04 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 15:14 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 21/26] UBIFS: add budgeting Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 22/26] UBIFS: add extended attribute support Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 23/26] UBIFS: add orphans handling sub-system Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 24/26] UBIFS: add header files Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 25/26] UBIFS: add debugging stuff Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-31 21:00 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 6:20 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 7:33 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 8:32 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 9:00 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 9:04 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 8:34 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-01 7:43 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-27 14:55 ` [RFC PATCH 26/26] UBIFS: include FS to compilation Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 7:39 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 8:51 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 9:15 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 9:25 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 10:04 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 10:26 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 11:33 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-01 11:56 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-26 9:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 7:10 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-28 9:03 ` ext Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-30 7:04 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-26 9:35 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 7:09 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-28 9:00 ` ext Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 11:23 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-28 11:39 ` ext ext Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-28 12:25 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-04-28 13:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-03-27 16:20 ` [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system Josh Boyer
2008-03-28 6:17 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-28 6:45 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-31 12:29 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-03-31 12:47 ` Adrian Hunter
2008-03-31 13:20 ` Jörn Engel
2008-03-31 14:00 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-03-31 17:17 ` Jörn Engel
2008-03-31 20:49 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-31 21:21 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 6:00 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 5:26 ` Artem Bityutskiy [this message]
2008-04-01 5:28 ` UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system) Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 5:56 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 9:25 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 9:39 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 10:51 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 11:17 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 9:19 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 9:46 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 11:16 ` Jörn Engel
2008-03-31 13:40 ` [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 21:01 ` Matthieu CASTET
2008-04-03 7:07 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-18 9:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-04-01 8:02 UBIFS vs Logfs (was [RFC PATCH] UBIFS - new flash file system) Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-04-01 8:45 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 9:03 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 9:09 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 9:31 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 9:39 ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-04-01 9:57 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-02 14:17 ` Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-04-02 14:22 ` Jörn Engel
2008-04-01 11:06 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-01 11:23 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-01 16:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-01 21:26 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-02 4:47 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-02 6:25 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-02 7:17 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2008-04-09 21:09 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-09 21:32 ` Jörn Engel
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