From: Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org, jeff@garzik.org, rjw@sisk.pl,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-net@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 11:07:32 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <47FE2D34.10104@rtr.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080409.182228.193699767.davem@davemloft.net>
David Miller wrote:
> From: Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>
> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 20:02:20 -0400
>
>> Really, folks. Bug reports are intended to *help* the developers,
>> not something to be thrown back in their faces.
>
> It's a two way street, we asked for a bisect which helps us a lot.
..
No, that's a one-way street, where the developers insist that the bug discover
do 100% of the work of finding/fixing the bug.
A two-way street is when we help each other, where the developers
might point out some likely commits, and the bug discover takes
additional time to patch/retest around them.
Years ago, Linus suggested that he opposed an in-kernel debugger
mainly because he preferred that we *think* more about the problems,
rather than just finding/fixing symptoms.
This 100% reliance upon git-bisect is worse than that.
It has people now just tossing regressions into the code left and right,
knowing that they can toss all of the testing back at the poor folks
whose systems end up not working.
> In fact, lately I notice a strong unwillingness to bisect on your
> part, in particular.
..
I just happen to find/report a lot of regressions.
And every single damn one so far has taken days of my
time to track down, and in most cases fix by myself.
All of them up until this one, have not been bisectable.
Yes, this one does seem to reproduce reliably now,
so it could be bisected if I wanted to take another day
out of my life for it.
I did bisect one other issue back in 2.6.24 (or .23?),
and that took about 9 hours in total.
I'd really like a hand or two with some of these bugs
at some point from the folks who keep breaking things.
Cheers
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-10 15:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-08 23:02 [Bug #10391] 2.6.25-rc7/8: Another resume regression Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-09 4:49 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-09 4:56 ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Mark Lord
2008-04-09 13:37 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-09 14:06 ` Regression: " Mark Lord
2008-04-09 16:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-09 17:16 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-09 17:27 ` Regression: " Mark Lord
2008-04-09 17:30 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2008-04-09 19:05 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-09 19:08 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-09 22:29 ` David Miller
2008-04-10 0:02 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-10 0:37 ` Harvey Harrison
2008-04-10 13:52 ` Gerhard Mack
2008-04-10 15:15 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-10 15:58 ` Gerhard Mack
2008-04-10 1:22 ` David Miller
2008-04-10 15:07 ` Mark Lord [this message]
2008-04-10 15:20 ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-10 22:09 ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-10 22:46 ` David Miller
2008-04-10 22:52 ` Charlie Brady
2008-04-10 23:02 ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-10 23:05 ` David Miller
2008-04-10 23:10 ` vincent-perrier
2008-04-10 23:14 ` David Miller
2008-04-10 23:32 ` vincent-perrier
2008-04-10 23:41 ` David Miller
2008-04-10 23:51 ` vincent-perrier
2008-04-10 23:39 ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-11 0:16 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 0:24 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 0:27 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 0:39 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 1:23 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 6:40 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-11 13:19 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 14:35 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 14:59 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 15:18 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 18:07 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 21:29 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-12 8:44 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-12 9:49 ` David Miller
2008-04-13 18:15 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 18:51 ` Sergio Luis
2008-04-13 19:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-11 19:58 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-11 22:16 ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-11 22:25 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-11 22:27 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 23:23 ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-12 5:37 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-12 7:06 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-11 22:26 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 19:58 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-11 22:27 ` Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-13 18:40 ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 18:47 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-13 19:18 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-13 19:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 19:47 ` Reporting bugs and bisection David Miller
2008-04-13 20:21 ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-13 20:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 20:54 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-04-13 22:24 ` Reporting bugs and bisection Stephen Clark
2008-04-13 22:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-13 23:51 ` david
2008-04-14 0:36 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-14 4:39 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14 5:39 ` Al Viro
2008-04-14 6:24 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 6:39 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 6:43 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 7:23 ` Al Viro
2008-04-14 7:43 ` Al Viro
2008-04-14 8:04 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 8:30 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 9:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-14 9:46 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 5:25 ` Bill Fink
2008-04-14 10:15 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 10:41 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 17:35 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2008-04-14 12:08 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14 14:43 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 17:51 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 18:24 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-14 19:30 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-14 15:54 ` James Morris
2008-04-14 22:01 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 23:05 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-15 4:55 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-15 13:18 ` Work WAS(Re: " jamal
2008-04-15 9:33 ` David Newall
2008-04-15 9:54 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-04-15 14:04 ` David Newall
2008-04-15 20:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16 2:34 ` David Newall
2008-04-16 3:53 ` david
2008-04-16 9:06 ` David Newall
2008-04-16 11:02 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-16 12:41 ` Stephen Clark
2008-04-16 4:29 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 12:13 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-16 12:15 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 13:26 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:02 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-16 19:43 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 19:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-17 13:50 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-04-17 15:26 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 19:58 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-04-16 20:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-16 19:39 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 20:16 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:53 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 21:05 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-16 21:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-16 20:04 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-16 20:55 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-04-16 21:17 ` Jesper Juhl
2008-04-17 17:04 ` David Newall
2008-04-17 19:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-17 19:35 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 19:57 ` Sverre Rabbelier
2008-04-17 20:16 ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 20:38 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-17 20:53 ` Al Viro
2008-04-17 21:01 ` Ray Lee
2008-04-14 19:13 ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 20:38 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-14 22:18 ` Rene Herman
2008-04-14 9:26 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-13 20:35 ` David Miller
2008-04-14 10:18 ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-14 10:29 ` Reporting bugs and bisection Andi Kleen
2008-04-13 20:10 ` Reporting bugs and bisection (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Adrian Bunk
2008-04-14 9:58 ` Reporting bugs and bisection Andi Kleen
2008-04-14 10:00 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-14 10:16 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-15 21:53 ` about bisections (was: Re: 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors) Ingo Molnar
2008-04-15 22:30 ` about bisections David Miller
2008-04-15 22:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-11 0:56 ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Tilman Schmidt
2008-04-11 1:08 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 0:26 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 0:29 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-11 2:59 ` YOSHIFUJI Hideaki / 吉藤英明
2008-04-11 3:18 ` [PATCH 2.6.25] net sockets: fix timewait namespace regression Mark Lord
2008-04-11 3:51 ` David Miller
2008-04-11 7:50 ` 2.6.25-rc8: FTP transfer errors Pavel Emelyanov
2008-04-10 20:46 ` Ilpo Järvinen
2008-04-10 21:05 ` Mark Lord
2008-04-10 21:43 ` Ilpo Järvinen
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2008-04-12 8:41 devzero
2008-04-13 20:22 ` Adrian Bunk
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