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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Alexander van Heukelum <heukelum@fastmail.fm>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [v2.6.26] what's brewing in x86.git for v2.6.26
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:51:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48072B9D.2000900@firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1208426793.10305.1248377703@webmail.messagingengine.com>


> 
> The input for the first 'benchmark' was indeed completely unrealistic.
> They did show a very convincing speedup, though. This program was
> really written to verify the implementation and was later converted
> to a benchmark. Many benchmarks are unrealistic. I also wrote a
> benchmark for find_first_bit and find_next_bit:
>         http://heukelum.fastmail.fm/find_first_bit

I think a realistic benchmark would be by running a real kernel
and profiling the input values of the bitmap functions and then
testing these cases.

I actually started that when I complained last time by writing
a systemtap script for this that generates a histogram, but for some
reason systemtap couldn't tap all bitmap functions in my kernel and
missed some completely and I ran out of time tracking that down.

My gut feeling is the only interesting cases are cpumask/nodemask sized
(which can be one word, two words but now upto 8 words on a NR_CPU=4096
x86 kernel) and then 4k sized ext3/reiser/etc. block bitmaps.

> My conclusion would be: the speed of the generic bitmap implementation
> is either better than or at least comparable to the current private
> implementations in i386/x86_64. 

Ok.

The generic version is out-of-line,
> while the private implementation of i386 was inlined: this causes a
> regression for very small bitmaps. However, if the bitmap size is
> a constant and fits a long integer, the updated generic code should
> inline an optimized version, like x86_64 currently does it.

Yes it should probably. cpumask walks are relatively common.

I remember profiling mysql some time ago which did bad overscheduling
due to dumb locking. Funny was that the mask walking in the scheduler
actually stood out. No, i don't claim extreme overscheduling is an
interesting case to optimize for, but then there are more realistic
workloads which also do a lot of context switching.

BTW if you do generic work on this: one reason the generated code for
for_each_cpu etc. is so ugly is that the code has checks for
find_next_bit returning >= max size. If you can generize the
code enough to make sure no arch does that anymore these checks
could be eliminated.

-Andi

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-17 10:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-16 20:23 [v2.6.26] what's brewing in x86.git for v2.6.26 Ingo Molnar
2008-04-16 20:37 ` Roland Dreier
2008-04-16 22:18   ` Suresh Siddha
2008-04-16 20:50 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-17 10:06   ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-04-17 10:51     ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-04-17 13:33       ` Alexander van Heukelum
2008-04-18  8:38     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-18 10:51       ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-17  7:25 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17  7:45   ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-17  8:20     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17  8:32       ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-04-17  8:34         ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-17  8:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-17  8:42           ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17 11:49             ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-17 11:56               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-17 18:01               ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17 18:51                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-17 19:57                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17 20:18                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-18  9:33                   ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2008-04-18  9:42                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-17  8:14   ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17  8:57     ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-17 10:32     ` Johannes Weiner
2008-04-17 10:50       ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17 11:49     ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-17 17:36       ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17  8:30   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-17  8:40     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17  8:45       ` David Miller
2008-04-17  8:54         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17  8:56           ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17  9:19           ` David Miller
2008-04-17  9:33             ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17  9:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-17  9:18         ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17  9:30           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-17  9:36             ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17  9:46               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-17 10:06                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17 10:11               ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-17 10:18                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17 10:29                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-17 10:19               ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-17 10:33                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17 10:38                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-17 10:42                     ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-18 11:12                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-17 14:01                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-17 15:26                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-18 12:41                       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-17 10:41                   ` Pekka Enberg
2008-04-17 18:47               ` Vegard Nossum
2008-04-17 19:27                 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-17 19:35                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-17 19:39                     ` Vegard Nossum
2008-04-17 19:43                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17 20:39                   ` Vegard Nossum
2008-04-17 20:55                     ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17  9:53             ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-17  7:48 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-18  6:27 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-18  6:38   ` David Miller
2008-04-18  7:47     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-18  8:00       ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-18  8:11         ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-04-18  8:18           ` David Miller
2008-04-18 12:48             ` Ingo Molnar

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