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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Mitch Bradley <wmb@firmworks.com>
Cc: Andres Salomon <dilinger@queued.net>,
	Yinghai Lu <yhlu.kernel@gmail.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Joseph Fannin <jfannin@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jordan.crouse@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] OLPC: Add support for calling into Open Firmware
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:36:46 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <480C7C4E.6070309@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <480C0C5B.2050403@firmworks.com>

Mitch Bradley wrote:
> 
> d) OFW itself lives at the top of the virtual address space, just below 
> the ROM.  (The ROM is mapped virtual=physical  for convenience)  OFW 
> uses RAM allocated from the top of physical memory, mapped at the 
> aforementioned high virtual addresses.  One page directory entry - the 
> next to last one - is used for that RAM mapping and also for mapping 
> additional miscellaneous I/O devices.  The 8MB frame buffer requires 2 
> additional PDEs, just below.  When Linux takes over the display, OFW no 
> longer needs the frame buffer mapping, but it is convenient to preserve 
> that mapping temporarily while using OFW as a debugger.
> 

So let me see here... you want the virtual address range [0xffc00000, 
0xfff00000) to be reserved for OFW, and you are prohibiting the kernel 
from using PAE?

> e) Low memory - everything except the ~1Meg that OFW lives in - is 
> mapped virtual=physical.

Are you making this assumption when called from the kernel, too?

> j) Linux must save the following information during early startup:
>  1) The callback function address - either from the initial value of eax 
> or from the OFW info block.
>  2) The the next-to-last page directory entry - just the pointer to the 
> page table.  The page table itself lives in OFW's reserved memory.
> 
> k) When calling back into OFW, Linux must:
>  1) Establish a page directory that contains OFW's PDE (saved in j2 
> above) and that maps the client interface argument array, including any 
> buffer pointers.
>  2) Call callback_function with the address of the argument array in 
> eax.  (Ordinary 32-bit near call).
> 
> For all of the OLPC kernel's current callbacks into OFW, the 
> requirements (j2) and (k1) are easily satisfied by "priming" 
> swapper_pg_dir with the contents of the current page directory (as 
> pointed to by the CR3 register).

I do not like it, simply because it amounts to "initialize this 
otherwise zero-initialized piece of data without making any kind of 
reservations and blindly hope nothing else overwrites it."

I'm also troubled with the assumption that the kernel doesn't use PAE. 
I realize that this is not an issue for OLPC, but it certainly makes 
this a less-than-generic solution.

Having mapped page table entries which are not under kernel control is a 
very serious problem for PAT - PAT requires, by hardware specification, 
the kernel to eliminate all potential aliases with different mappings.

One way to deal with this, of course, is to save the firmware-provided 
PGD and only use it for OFW calls.  On the other hand, perhaps a better 
questions is to what extent it is needed at all.

Furthermore, since you're using a nonstandard OFW interface (not 
compliant with the x86 OFW binding document), all of this should be 
called something like OLPC_OFW to make it clear that it's the OLPC variant.

If I had designed this, I would probably have used an SMI; since you 
have control over the firmware you can do that.  SMI saves the entire 
machine state including all the modes, cleans them all up for you, and 
puts it all back together at RSM time.  It is slow, of course, but it 
completely decouples the firmware and the OS, which is why it's used.

	-hpa


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-21 11:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-18  8:47 2.6.25-mm1 Andrew Morton
2008-04-18 11:26 ` [PATCH] 2.6.25-mm1 - Build Failure with PWRficient onchip memory controller driver Kamalesh Babulal
2008-04-18 13:02 ` StackProtector Oopses - Re: 2.6.25-mm1 Reuben Farrelly
2008-04-18 13:36   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-18 13:51     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-18 14:41       ` Reuben Farrelly
2008-04-18 14:49     ` Reuben Farrelly
2008-04-21 15:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22  1:48         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-22  2:04           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-22  8:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22 14:29             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-18 16:40 ` 2.6.25-mm1 (build error: driver core) Randy Dunlap
2008-04-18 16:56   ` Greg KH
2008-04-18 18:38     ` Dan Williams
2008-04-18 16:45 ` 2.6.25-mm1 (build error: trace selftest) Randy Dunlap
2008-04-18 20:14 ` 2.6.25-mm1 Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-04-18 23:09 ` 2.6.25-mm1: orphaned files after build Alexey Dobriyan
2008-04-19  2:13 ` 2.6.25-mm1 Joseph Fannin
2008-04-19  3:02   ` 2.6.25-mm1 Andrew Morton
2008-04-19  4:14     ` 2.6.25-mm1 Dmitry Torokhov
2008-04-19  4:29       ` 2.6.25-mm1 Andrew Morton
2008-04-19  6:33         ` 2.6.25-mm1 Joseph Fannin
2008-04-21 11:07         ` 2.6.25-mm1 Takashi Iwai
2008-04-21 17:44           ` 2.6.25-mm1 (snd-pcsp causes driver conflict) Stas Sergeev
2008-04-22 10:09             ` Takashi Iwai
2008-04-22 17:54               ` Stas Sergeev
2008-04-23  8:55                 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-04-23 14:14                   ` Takashi Iwai
2008-04-21 19:45           ` 2.6.25-mm1 Stas Sergeev
2008-04-21 14:06         ` 2.6.25-mm1 Takashi Iwai
2008-04-21 17:55           ` 2.6.25-mm1 (snd-pcsp doesn't like DEBUG_PAGEALLOC) Stas Sergeev
2008-04-22 10:13             ` Takashi Iwai
2008-04-22 14:01               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2008-04-22 16:42                 ` Stas Sergeev
2008-04-22 18:31               ` Stas Sergeev
2008-04-23  8:49                 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-04-23 14:18                   ` Takashi Iwai
2008-04-23 20:02                   ` Stas Sergeev
2008-04-24  9:40                     ` Takashi Iwai
2008-04-25  3:51                       ` Stas Sergeev
2008-04-25  6:28                         ` Takashi Iwai
2008-04-25 16:45                           ` Stas Sergeev
2008-04-25 16:51                             ` Takashi Iwai
2008-04-25 17:25                               ` Stas Sergeev
2008-05-02 16:44                               ` Takashi Iwai
2008-05-02 16:57                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2008-05-06 10:20                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2008-05-06 16:51                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2008-04-25 18:09                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2008-04-25 18:31                               ` Stas Sergeev
2008-04-25 18:37                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2008-04-19  2:25 ` 2.6.25-mm1 Joseph Fannin
2008-04-19  3:08   ` 2.6.25-mm1 Andrew Morton
2008-04-19  3:10 ` 2.6.25-mm1 Joseph Fannin
2008-04-19  3:29   ` 2.6.25-mm1 Andrew Morton
2008-04-19 13:25     ` 2.6.25-mm1 Andres Salomon
2008-04-19 17:38       ` 2.6.25-mm1 Andrew Morton
2008-04-19 17:50         ` 2.6.25-mm1 Andres Salomon
2008-04-21 14:56           ` 2.6.25-mm1 Jordan Crouse
2008-04-21 15:05             ` 2.6.25-mm1 Andres Salomon
2008-04-21 15:12               ` 2.6.25-mm1 Jordan Crouse
2008-04-19 17:39       ` [PATCH 1/2] OLPC: Add support for calling into Open Firmware Andres Salomon
2008-04-20 10:34         ` Yinghai Lu
2008-04-20 12:07           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-20 17:59             ` Andres Salomon
2008-04-20 18:42               ` Mitch Bradley
2008-04-20 19:12                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-21  3:39                   ` Mitch Bradley
2008-04-21  4:54                     ` Yinghai Lu
2008-04-21  8:22                       ` Mitch Bradley
2008-04-21 11:36                     ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-04-21 13:09                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-21 13:13                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-21 13:19                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-21 15:05                     ` Jordan Crouse
2008-04-21 14:58                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-20 19:13               ` [PATCH 1/2] " H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-21  3:09           ` Mitch Bradley
2008-04-21  3:15             ` Yinghai Lu
2008-04-21  4:05               ` Mitch Bradley
2008-04-21  4:26                 ` David Miller
2008-04-21  4:50                 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-04-21  8:03                   ` Mitch Bradley
2008-04-21 14:24                 ` Andres Salomon
2008-04-21 15:54                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-04-21 16:57                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-04-21 18:54                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-04-21 17:03                     ` Andres Salomon
2008-04-21 19:18                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-04-21 19:46                         ` Andres Salomon
2008-04-21 20:25                           ` David Woodhouse
2008-04-21 21:02                             ` [PATCH] OLPC: only check for OFW signature on VSA-less Geodes Andres Salomon
2008-04-21 21:17                               ` Jordan Crouse
2008-04-21 21:17                               ` [PATCH] " David Woodhouse
2008-04-29  3:06                               ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-29  5:32                                 ` [PATCH] x86: GEODE: cache results from geode_has_vsa2() and uninline Andres Salomon
2008-04-29 20:35                                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-29 20:57                                     ` Andres Salomon
2008-04-19 17:39       ` [PATCH 2/2] OLPC: drop pre-OpenFirmware workarounds Andres Salomon
2008-04-19 18:21     ` 2.6.25-mm1 Arjan van de Ven
2008-04-20 11:29 ` internal compiler error: SIGSEGV [Was: 2.6.25-mm1] Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21  8:31 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21  9:06   ` Al Viro
2008-04-21  9:37     ` fault in __d_lookup " Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21  9:45       ` Al Viro
2008-04-21  9:59         ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-21 13:42           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-21 17:23           ` Matthew Wilcox

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