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From: "Alan D. Brunelle" <Alan.Brunelle@hp.com>
To: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/3] Skip I/O merges when disabled
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:13:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48109571.70905@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <67E36C56-E149-4C87-8788-05BA43C1C2AD@kernel.dk>

Jens Axboe wrote:
> On 24/04/2008, at 15.29, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:
> 
>> "Alan D. Brunelle" <Alan.Brunelle@hp.com> writes:
>>
>>> The block I/O + elevator + I/O scheduler code spends a lot of time
>>> trying to merge I/Os -- rightfully so under "normal" circumstances.
>>> However, if one were to know that the incoming I/O stream was /very/
>>> random in nature, the cycles are wasted. (This can be the case, for
>>> example, during OLTP-type runs.)
>>>
>>> This patch stream adds a per-request_queue tunable that (when set)
>>> disables merge attempts, thus freeing up a non-trivial amount of CPU
>>> cycles.
>>
>> It sounds interesting. But explicit tunables are always bad because
>> they will be only used by a elite few. Do you think it would be
>> possible instead to keep some statistics on how successfull merging is
>> and
>> when the success rate is very low disable it automatically for some
>> time until a time out?
>>
>> This way nearly everybody could get most of the benefit from this
>> change.
> 
> Not a good idea IMHO, it's much better with an explicit setting. That
> way you don't introduce indeterministic behavior.

Another way to attack this would be to have a user level daemon "watch
things" -

o  We could leave 'nomerges' alone: if someone set that, they "know"
what they are doing, and we just don't attempt merges. [This tunable
would really be for the "elite few" - those that no which devices are
used in which ways - people that administer Enterprise load environments
tend to need to know this.]

o  The kernel already exports stats on merges, so the daemon could watch
those stats in comparison to the number of I/Os submitted. If it
determined that merge attempts were not being very successful, it could
turn off merges for a period of time. Later it could turn them back on,
watch for a while, and repeat.

Does this sound better/worthwhile?

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2008-04-24 14:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-23 19:08 [RFC][PATCH 0/3] Skip I/O merges when disabled Alan D. Brunelle
2008-04-23 19:12 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] Add flag and sysfs interfaces Alan D. Brunelle
2008-04-23 19:14 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] Have __make_request skip merges when disabled Alan D. Brunelle
2008-04-23 19:15 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] Do not use rqhash when merges disabled Alan D. Brunelle
2008-04-24  0:37   ` Aaron Carroll
2008-04-24  0:59     ` Alan D. Brunelle
2008-04-24  2:07       ` Aaron Carroll
2008-04-24  7:09 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] Skip I/O merges when disabled Jens Axboe
2008-04-24 12:09   ` Alan D. Brunelle
2008-04-25  8:38     ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-25 11:17       ` Alan D. Brunelle
2008-04-25 11:25         ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-25 12:06           ` Aaron Carroll
2008-04-25 12:14             ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-25 12:17         ` Alan D. Brunelle
2008-04-28 16:36           ` Alan D. Brunelle
2008-04-29  7:37             ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-24 20:38   ` Alan D. Brunelle
2008-04-24 13:29 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-24 13:59   ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-24 14:13     ` Alan D. Brunelle [this message]
2008-04-24 15:05       ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-24 22:04       ` Carl Henrik Lunde
2008-04-25  7:13       ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-24 14:15     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-24 15:04       ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-24 15:53         ` David Collier-Brown
2008-04-24 16:29           ` Alan D. Brunelle
2008-04-24 13:31 ` Alan D. Brunelle
2008-04-24 13:43   ` Alan D. Brunelle

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