From: Tarkan Erimer <tarkan@netone.net.tr>
To: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:11:27 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48181B9F.2040203@netone.net.tr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4817EF91.4080800@davidnewall.com>
David Newall wrote:
> Yes. The Linux process is becoming unreliable. Newly "stable" versions
> have stability problems. The development process looks childish.
> Seasoned developers say not to worry, that the process works. I do
> worry. BSD seems more attractive, and it may even be worth the
> considerable effort to switch my entire client-base. Linux was lucky to
> gain the foothold that it did: traditionally, BSD had a better system
> with a less restrictive licence, so it is surprising that manufacturers
> chose to go with Linux. BSD still has a less restrictive licence and
> when mainstream press becomes interested in Linux's quality problems
> it's adoption will fall. BSD is still a good, maybe even better, option.
>
> Linus, this is your baby and so it's your problem. Only you have the
> influence to change things.
>
I completely disagree with your foolish and nonsense comments about the
Linux Kernel and the Linux OS. It's perfectly clear that you didn't
understand well enough how the linux development process works. If you
thought that the recently released kernels are not stable then, you have
to wait the 2.6.x.y series or you can use the distro kernels. All of
your comments are pointless and no base. You are free to choose BSD or
whatever you want to use. No one is putting a gun on your head to use
Linux :-)
I can very easily say that,cause of my experiences , the Linux Kernel is
PERFECTLY STABLE! I work in an one of the largest ISP of my country and
I use Linux very intensively under very high loads and I NEVER NEVER
faced any problems because of the fault of the Linux Kernel on my
environments. For example, many of our mail servers run on Linux and all
the day they process hundred thousands emails without any downtime or
trouble!
The manufactures mostly choose Linux instead of BSD flavors, simply
because of that Linux kernel, technically, more superior to BSDs or
others. When it comes to licenses: the BSD license is more and more
worse, if GPL is bad. GPL protects your freedom and openness of the
codes via forcing the changes to the source code must be return in open
form. For BSD, it is opposite. You are free to take someone else's code
and there is NO PROTECTION to prevent your code to become a closed
(proprietary) source. Can you imagine that one company (like Microsoft)
takes your whole kernel source code and creates a PROPRIETARY OS (Like
Windows!) as making a fool of you ? Why? Because; simply, BSD license
allows it! No need to return the code! Do you think really think that
BSD license is more free as making a fool of you ?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-30 7:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 229+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-30 2:03 Slow DOWN, please!!! David Miller
2008-04-30 4:03 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 4:18 ` David Miller
2008-04-30 13:04 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 13:18 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-04-30 14:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 18:21 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 18:55 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 19:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 19:16 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 19:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 4:31 ` David Newall
2008-05-01 4:37 ` David Miller
2008-05-01 13:49 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-01 15:28 ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-05-01 17:49 ` Russ Dill
2008-05-02 1:47 ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-05-02 2:54 ` Russ Dill
2008-05-02 7:01 ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-05-02 17:34 ` Lee Mathers (TCAFS)
2008-05-02 18:21 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-02 21:34 ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-04-30 19:06 ` Chris Friesen
2008-04-30 19:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 19:22 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 19:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 7:11 ` Tarkan Erimer [this message]
2008-04-30 13:28 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 13:38 ` Mike Galbraith
2008-04-30 14:41 ` mws
2008-04-30 14:55 ` Russ Dill
2008-04-30 14:48 ` Peter Teoh
2008-04-30 19:36 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 20:00 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 20:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 20:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 20:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 20:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 23:34 ` Greg KH
2008-04-30 20:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 21:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 22:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 22:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 22:41 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 23:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 23:41 ` david
2008-04-30 23:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 0:57 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 1:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 2:13 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 2:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 18:54 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-14 14:55 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-01 1:35 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-01 12:31 ` Tarkan Erimer
2008-05-01 15:34 ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-02 14:05 ` Tarkan Erimer
2008-04-30 22:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 22:52 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 23:21 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 23:38 ` Chris Shoemaker
2008-04-30 23:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 0:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 1:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 1:31 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-01 1:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 10:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 15:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 17:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 17:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 18:11 ` Al Viro
2008-05-01 18:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 18:58 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 19:37 ` Al Viro
2008-05-01 19:58 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-01 20:07 ` Joel Becker
2008-05-01 18:50 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 19:07 ` david
2008-05-01 19:28 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 19:46 ` david
2008-05-01 19:53 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 22:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 19:39 ` Friedrich Göpel
2008-05-01 21:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-02 12:17 ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-01 18:35 ` Chris Frey
2008-05-02 13:22 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-05-01 1:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 1:51 ` David Miller
2008-05-01 2:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 2:17 ` David Miller
2008-05-01 2:21 ` Al Viro
2008-05-01 5:19 ` david
2008-05-04 3:26 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-01 2:31 ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-05-01 18:32 ` Stephen Clark
2008-05-01 3:53 ` Frans Pop
2008-05-01 11:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 14:28 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-01 12:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 15:06 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-01 5:50 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 11:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 12:11 ` Will Newton
2008-05-01 13:16 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-05-01 13:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 14:35 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-05-01 15:29 ` Ray Lee
2008-05-01 19:03 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 19:36 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-05-01 1:30 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-05-01 5:35 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 23:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 22:40 ` david
2008-04-30 23:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 23:57 ` david
2008-05-01 0:01 ` Chris Shoemaker
2008-05-01 0:14 ` david
2008-05-01 0:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 1:39 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-05-01 0:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 0:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 1:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 12:05 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 13:54 ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-01 14:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 23:29 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-01 1:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-01 2:52 ` Frans Pop
2008-05-01 3:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 4:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-01 4:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-04 13:47 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-05-04 15:05 ` Jacek Luczak
2008-05-01 9:17 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-30 20:15 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 20:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 20:47 ` Dan Noe
2008-04-30 20:59 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 21:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 21:37 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 22:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 22:53 ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2008-04-30 23:11 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-12 9:27 ` Ben Dooks
2008-05-02 10:20 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-02 15:33 ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2008-04-30 20:54 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 21:21 ` David Miller
2008-04-30 21:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 22:02 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2008-04-30 22:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-30 22:22 ` David Miller
2008-04-30 22:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 22:54 ` david
2008-04-30 23:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 23:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 0:15 ` Chris Shoemaker
2008-05-01 5:09 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 22:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-30 22:49 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 22:51 ` David Miller
2008-05-01 1:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-01 2:48 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-05 3:04 ` Rusty Russell
2008-05-02 13:37 ` Helge Hafting
2008-04-30 21:42 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2008-04-30 22:06 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-30 22:10 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 22:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 22:28 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2008-05-01 16:26 ` Diego Calleja
2008-05-01 16:31 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2008-05-02 1:48 ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-05-01 23:06 ` Kevin Winchester
2008-04-30 23:04 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2008-05-01 15:19 ` Jim Schutt
2008-05-01 6:15 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-05-09 9:28 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-09 15:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-30 21:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-01 3:24 ` Bob Tracy
2008-05-01 16:39 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-05-01 0:31 ` RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies Adrian Bunk
2008-04-30 7:03 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-01 8:13 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 14:15 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-01 12:42 ` David Woodhouse
2008-04-30 15:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-05 10:03 ` Benny Halevy
2008-05-04 12:45 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-04 13:00 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-05-04 13:19 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-05 13:13 ` crosscompiler [WAS: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies] Enrico Weigelt
2008-05-01 9:16 ` RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies Frans Pop
2008-05-01 10:30 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-05-01 13:02 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 11:30 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-30 14:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-01 12:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 13:21 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 15:49 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-01 1:13 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-02 9:00 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 16:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-05-01 17:18 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-01 17:24 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-01 19:26 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-01 19:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-05-02 10:23 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-02 2:08 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-02 3:10 ` Josh Boyer
2008-05-02 4:09 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-02 8:29 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-02 10:16 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-02 11:58 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-02 14:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-02 15:44 ` Carlos R. Mafra
2008-05-02 16:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-02 17:15 ` Carlos R. Mafra
2008-05-02 18:02 ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-05-09 16:32 ` Mark Lord
2008-05-09 19:30 ` Carlos R. Mafra
2008-05-09 20:39 ` Mark Lord
2008-05-01 0:41 ` David Miller
2008-05-01 13:23 ` Adrian Bunk
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2008-04-30 20:59 Slow DOWN, please!!! devzero
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