From: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:34:23 +0930 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48186E57.5070805@davidnewall.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080429.211835.130816277.davem@davemloft.net>
David Miller wrote:
> We're having ONE bad merge window, we're facing the problem
> head on, RIGHT NOW, to prevent it in the future. It's
> not a severe ongoing issue as you portray it to be.
No. The problem is more than just a bad merge window. There is poor or
non-existent review; frequent "regressions"; release of kernels as
stable when they are not. There is resentment and resistance to even
acknowledging these problems. Take, as an example, the desire to NOT
record who gives good code and who gives bugs: that one clearly hit a
nerve, which it should not have except from people who feel guilty.
I don't claim BSD to be perfect, but it appears to have a consistently
good quality. Old Linux kernels also have that; new ones not so.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-30 13:04 UTC|newest]
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2008-04-30 2:03 Slow DOWN, please!!! David Miller
2008-04-30 4:03 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 4:18 ` David Miller
2008-04-30 13:04 ` David Newall [this message]
2008-04-30 13:18 ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-04-30 14:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 18:21 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 18:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 18:55 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 19:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 19:16 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 19:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 4:31 ` David Newall
2008-05-01 4:37 ` David Miller
2008-05-01 13:49 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-01 15:28 ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-05-01 17:49 ` Russ Dill
2008-05-02 1:47 ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-05-02 2:54 ` Russ Dill
2008-05-02 7:01 ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-05-02 17:34 ` Lee Mathers (TCAFS)
2008-05-02 18:21 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-02 21:34 ` Kasper Sandberg
2008-04-30 19:06 ` Chris Friesen
2008-04-30 19:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 19:22 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 19:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 7:11 ` Tarkan Erimer
2008-04-30 13:28 ` David Newall
2008-04-30 13:38 ` Mike Galbraith
2008-04-30 14:41 ` mws
2008-04-30 14:55 ` Russ Dill
2008-04-30 14:48 ` Peter Teoh
2008-04-30 19:36 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 20:00 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 20:20 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 20:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 20:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 20:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 23:34 ` Greg KH
2008-04-30 20:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 21:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 22:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 22:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 22:41 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 23:23 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 23:41 ` david
2008-04-30 23:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 0:57 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 1:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 2:13 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 2:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 18:54 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-14 14:55 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-01 1:35 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-01 12:31 ` Tarkan Erimer
2008-05-01 15:34 ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-02 14:05 ` Tarkan Erimer
2008-04-30 22:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 22:52 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 23:21 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 23:38 ` Chris Shoemaker
2008-04-30 23:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 0:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 1:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 1:31 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-01 1:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 10:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 15:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 17:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 17:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 18:11 ` Al Viro
2008-05-01 18:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 18:58 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 19:37 ` Al Viro
2008-05-01 19:58 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-01 20:07 ` Joel Becker
2008-05-01 18:50 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 19:07 ` david
2008-05-01 19:28 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 19:46 ` david
2008-05-01 19:53 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 22:17 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 19:39 ` Friedrich Göpel
2008-05-01 21:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-02 12:17 ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-01 18:35 ` Chris Frey
2008-05-02 13:22 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-05-01 1:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 1:51 ` David Miller
2008-05-01 2:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 2:17 ` David Miller
2008-05-01 2:21 ` Al Viro
2008-05-01 5:19 ` david
2008-05-04 3:26 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-01 2:31 ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-05-01 18:32 ` Stephen Clark
2008-05-01 3:53 ` Frans Pop
2008-05-01 11:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 14:28 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-01 12:41 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 15:06 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-01 5:50 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 11:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 12:11 ` Will Newton
2008-05-01 13:16 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-05-01 13:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 14:35 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2008-05-01 15:29 ` Ray Lee
2008-05-01 19:03 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-01 19:36 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-05-01 1:30 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-05-01 5:35 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 23:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 22:40 ` david
2008-04-30 23:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 23:57 ` david
2008-05-01 0:01 ` Chris Shoemaker
2008-05-01 0:14 ` david
2008-05-01 0:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 1:39 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-05-01 0:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 0:56 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 1:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 12:05 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 13:54 ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-01 14:06 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 23:29 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-01 1:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-01 2:52 ` Frans Pop
2008-05-01 3:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-01 4:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-01 4:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-04 13:47 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-05-04 15:05 ` Jacek Luczak
2008-05-01 9:17 ` Alan Cox
2008-04-30 20:15 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 20:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 20:47 ` Dan Noe
2008-04-30 20:59 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 21:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 21:37 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 22:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 22:53 ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2008-04-30 23:11 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-12 9:27 ` Ben Dooks
2008-05-02 10:20 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-02 15:33 ` Mariusz Kozlowski
2008-04-30 20:54 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 21:21 ` David Miller
2008-04-30 21:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 22:02 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2008-04-30 22:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-30 22:22 ` David Miller
2008-04-30 22:39 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-04-30 22:54 ` david
2008-04-30 23:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 23:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 0:15 ` Chris Shoemaker
2008-05-01 5:09 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-30 22:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-30 22:49 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 22:51 ` David Miller
2008-05-01 1:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-01 2:48 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-05 3:04 ` Rusty Russell
2008-05-02 13:37 ` Helge Hafting
2008-04-30 21:42 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2008-04-30 22:06 ` Jiri Slaby
2008-04-30 22:10 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 22:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-30 22:28 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2008-05-01 16:26 ` Diego Calleja
2008-05-01 16:31 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2008-05-02 1:48 ` Stephen Rothwell
2008-05-01 23:06 ` Kevin Winchester
2008-04-30 23:04 ` Dmitri Vorobiev
2008-05-01 15:19 ` Jim Schutt
2008-05-01 6:15 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-05-09 9:28 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-09 15:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-04-30 21:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-01 3:24 ` Bob Tracy
2008-05-01 16:39 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-05-01 0:31 ` RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies Adrian Bunk
2008-04-30 7:03 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-01 8:13 ` Andrew Morton
2008-04-30 14:15 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-01 12:42 ` David Woodhouse
2008-04-30 15:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-05 10:03 ` Benny Halevy
2008-05-04 12:45 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-04 13:00 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-05-04 13:19 ` Rene Herman
2008-05-05 13:13 ` crosscompiler [WAS: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies] Enrico Weigelt
2008-05-01 9:16 ` RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies Frans Pop
2008-05-01 10:30 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-05-01 13:02 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 11:30 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-04-30 14:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-01 12:53 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-01 13:21 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 15:49 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-01 1:13 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-02 9:00 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-01 16:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-05-01 17:18 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-01 17:24 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-01 19:26 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-01 19:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-05-02 10:23 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-02 2:08 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-02 3:10 ` Josh Boyer
2008-05-02 4:09 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-02 8:29 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-02 10:16 ` Paul Mackerras
2008-05-02 11:58 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-02 14:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-02 15:44 ` Carlos R. Mafra
2008-05-02 16:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-05-02 17:15 ` Carlos R. Mafra
2008-05-02 18:02 ` Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2008-05-09 16:32 ` Mark Lord
2008-05-09 19:30 ` Carlos R. Mafra
2008-05-09 20:39 ` Mark Lord
2008-05-01 0:41 ` David Miller
2008-05-01 13:23 ` Adrian Bunk
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2008-04-30 20:59 Slow DOWN, please!!! devzero
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