From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759705AbYEOWmW (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 May 2008 18:42:22 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754852AbYEOWmM (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 May 2008 18:42:12 -0400 Received: from srv5.dvmed.net ([207.36.208.214]:36902 "EHLO mail.dvmed.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753916AbYEOWmL (ORCPT ); Thu, 15 May 2008 18:42:11 -0400 Message-ID: <482CBC3E.8060305@garzik.org> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 18:42:06 -0400 From: Jeff Garzik User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080501) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Brandeburg, Jesse" CC: Alan Cox , Chris Peterson , netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] drivers/net: remove network drivers' last few uses of IRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM References: <20080515142154.0595e475@core> <36D9DB17C6DE9E40B059440DB8D95F52052D71BB@orsmsx418.amr.corp.intel.com> In-Reply-To: <36D9DB17C6DE9E40B059440DB8D95F52052D71BB@orsmsx418.amr.corp.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Spam-Report: SpamAssassin version 3.2.4 on srv5.dvmed.net summary: Content analysis details: (-4.4 points, 5.0 required) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Brandeburg, Jesse wrote: > we've been hearing rumblings of big customers wanting (maybe requiring) > wired network drivers from Intel to advertise this flag. Jeff have you > heard of such? > > I think the argument is that a headless system (no keyboard/mouse, no > soundcard, probably no video) with a libata based driver and a network > driver without IRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM has *no* sources of entropy. In this > case the argument is very strong for at least *some* source of entropy > from interrupts so that randomness can get some external input. Just > try rebuilding a kernel RPM over an ssh session and you'll see what I > mean. > > In short, I agree with Alan's IRQF_SAMPLE_DUBIOUS, and know of Linux > customers who also want the same. So I guess a good message for customers might be: Don't depend on an entropy source whose volume decreases as workload and network traffic increase. Jeff