From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Mikael Pettersson <mikpe@it.uu.se>
Cc: Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
mingo@elte.hu, tglx@linutronix.de, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, andi@firstfloor.org,
roland@redhat.com, drepper@redhat.com, Hongjiu.lu@intel.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arjan@linux.intel.com,
rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk, dan@debian.org,
asit.k.mallick@intel.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] x86: xsave/xrstor support, ucontext_t extensions
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:29:01 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4831AACD.8030607@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <18481.37905.297556.288317@harpo.it.uu.se>
Mikael Pettersson wrote:
>
> My problem with the OSXAVE flag is that it's a very indirect way of
> communicating the layout of sigframes and sigcontexts. These structures
> should, if at all possible, be self-describing. A single flag bit in
> the sigcontext could handle both structures (since a sigframe always
> includes a sigcontext).
>
It's also wrong, since OSXSAVE indicates that the CPU can do it, not
that the kernel can.
>
>>> struct _fpstate has a 'magic' field which distinguishes x87-only
>>> from x87+FXSR structs. Could that field also be used to indicate XSAVE?
>> I don't think we can use the existing 'magic' field.
>
> Hmm, right now it seems this field has a de-facto ABI of being
> either 0xffff (plain) or 0x0000 (fxsr). Using other values would
> confuse at least one application I know of. Sad.
>
Well, arguably it is the right thing to use since we're talking about a
new format. The difference is that the new format *does* extend
backwards to match the old format.
>> But we can
>> use some what similar magic, if the fxsave/fxrstor give away
>> some of the fields at the end of fxsave image (today it is reserved
>> and ignored during fxsave/fxrstor) for software use.
>> We can then use these fields at the end of fpstate, to indicate the presence of
>> xstate. But this requires some architecture changes like giving
>> away this space for SW use. We can take this to architects and
>> see what they think.
>
> If the HW doesn't store anything valuable there, we could store
> SW flags/cookies there on signal delivery, and clear them before
> fxrstor (unless the HW is known to ignore those fields).
> But it depends on how forgiving the HW is.
All we need is a single field -- a single byte -- reserved indefinitely
for software use. Existing FXSAVE kernels will have set it to zero.
There might be fields the existing FXSAVE format which can be equally
abused, even. I will do some looking.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-19 16:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-13 1:10 [RFC] x86: xsave/xrstor support, ucontext_t extensions Suresh Siddha
2008-05-16 13:26 ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-05-18 1:34 ` Suresh Siddha
2008-05-19 14:52 ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-05-19 15:04 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-19 16:29 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-05-19 16:57 ` Suresh Siddha
2008-05-19 17:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-20 1:57 ` Suresh Siddha
2008-05-20 8:58 ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-05-20 10:01 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-20 13:19 ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-05-20 14:58 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-20 15:20 ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-05-20 17:53 ` Suresh Siddha
2008-05-20 17:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-22 0:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-22 0:53 ` Roland McGrath
2008-05-22 1:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-22 6:40 ` Roland McGrath
2008-05-22 7:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-22 8:49 ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-05-22 8:57 ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-05-22 20:56 ` Suresh Siddha
2008-05-22 21:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-22 21:29 ` Suresh Siddha
2008-05-22 21:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-22 22:22 ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-05-23 1:48 ` Suresh Siddha
2008-05-23 2:12 ` Roland McGrath
2008-05-23 2:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-23 18:09 ` Suresh Siddha
2008-06-06 0:28 ` x86: xsave/xrstor support; " H. Peter Anvin
2008-06-06 20:14 ` Suresh Siddha
2008-06-06 23:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-23 2:45 ` [RFC] x86: xsave/xrstor support, " H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-23 11:46 ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-05-23 12:11 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-22 21:32 ` Chris Wright
2008-05-22 22:15 ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-05-22 22:29 ` Chris Wright
2008-05-23 0:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-23 0:44 ` Chris Wright
2008-05-22 22:36 ` Mikael Pettersson
2008-05-23 0:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-23 0:42 ` Suresh Siddha
2008-05-23 1:33 ` Roland McGrath
2008-05-23 16:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-23 17:50 ` Suresh Siddha
2008-05-23 2:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-20 17:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-20 14:55 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-20 15:03 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-20 20:10 ` Roland McGrath
2008-05-22 0:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-22 0:47 ` Roland McGrath
2008-05-22 8:14 ` Andi Kleen
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