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From: Louis Rilling <Louis.Rilling@kerlabs.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Joel Becker <Joel.Becker@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ocfs2-devel@oss.oracle.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/3] configfs: Make nested default	groups	lockdep-friendly
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:54:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48341B8A.1050000@kerlabs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1211367577.6463.91.camel@lappy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Peter Zijlstra a écrit :
> On Wed, 2008-05-21 at 12:25 +0200, Louis Rilling wrote:
> 
>>> http://programming.kicks-ass.net/kernel-patches/concurrent-pagecache/23-rc1-rt/radix-concurrent-lockdep.patch
>> Thanks for pointing this out.
>>
>> Yes this could solve part of the issue, at the price of duplicating the
>> inode mutex class. However, this still does not solve the issue when
>> deleting config_groups, since in that case all nodes of the tree are
>> locked. Thinking about adding lockdep support for concurrent locking of
>> the direct children of a node in a tree...
> 
> Why doesn't sysfs have this problem? - the code says configfs was
> derived from sysfs.

Perhaps because sysfs is driven from the kernel, where behaviors can be
controlled, while in configfs only userspace creates/removes directories.

> 
> Also, do you really need to hold all locks when removing something?
> sound like a bit overdone. Also realise there is a maximum number of
> held locks - various people have already requested it to be increased or
> made dynamic. We're reluctant in doing so because we feel lock chains
> should not be of unlimited length. The deeper the chains the bigger the
> PI overhead etc..

I did not write configfs, so I can only observe that a whole inode tree
is locked when removing a directory hierarchy. I suspect that this is
intended to provide userspace and client sub-systems with some atomic
semantics...

> 
> As to modifying lockdep - it currently doesn't know about trees and
> teaching it about them isn't easy.

That was my guess.

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-21 12:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-20 16:33 [RFC][PATCH 0/3] configfs: Make nested default groups lockdep-friendly Louis Rilling
2008-05-20 16:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] configfs: set CONFIGFS_USET_DEFAULT earlier in configfs_attach_group() Louis Rilling
2008-05-20 16:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] configfs: Silence lockdep when creating nested default groups Louis Rilling
2008-05-20 16:33 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] configfs: Silence lockdep when destroying " Louis Rilling
2008-05-20 16:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/3] configfs: Make nested default groups lockdep-friendly Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-20 17:08   ` Louis Rilling
2008-05-20 21:56   ` Joel Becker
2008-05-20 22:13     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-20 22:27       ` Joel Becker
2008-05-20 22:35         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-20 23:51           ` Joel Becker
2008-05-21  9:20             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-21  9:23       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-21 10:25         ` Louis Rilling
2008-05-21 10:59           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-21 12:54             ` Louis Rilling [this message]
2008-05-21 22:09             ` Joel Becker
2008-05-21  8:13     ` Louis Rilling
2008-05-20 21:41 ` [Ocfs2-devel] " Joel Becker

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