From: Ric Wheeler <ricwheeler@gmail.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Eric Sandeen <sandeen@redhat.com>,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, jamie@shareable.org,
Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>,
jbacik@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:33:56 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48370E14.2070309@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080519144654.GC15035@mit.edu>
Just a couple of comments about barriers that might be worth throwing in
the mix.
From what I have seen, running with barriers is almost always a win
over running with write cache disabled for medium to large files (large
files with a S-ATA drive go about twice as fast in my testing).
For very small files, running with the barrier or disabling the write
cache are a lot closer in performance.
When we are looking for ways to batch, it is also critical to keep in
mind the latency of the storage. The current ext3 transaction batching
code makes running multi-threaded workloads on high speed media (like
non-volatile disk arrays) run much slower. (Josef had some patches
which helped fix this in a similar way that XFS deals with this.)
One other note is that moving to a FLASH based device will not make the
issue of barriers go away since (most? all?) FLASH parts you are likely
to see have their own write cache which is used to buffer up writes in
order to make the erase cycle less painful. That means that we have a
fairly large *volatile* write cache which needs to be flushed/controlled
just like we do with S-ATA/SCSI/etc ;-)
ric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-23 18:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-16 19:02 [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 19:05 ` [PATCH 1/4] ext3: enable barriers by default Eric Sandeen
2008-05-19 8:58 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-16 19:07 ` [PATCH 2/4] ext3: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 22:15 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-16 19:08 ` [PATCH 3/4] ext4: enable barriers by default Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 19:09 ` [PATCH 4/4] ext4: call blkdev_issue_flush on fsync Eric Sandeen
2008-05-20 2:34 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-20 15:43 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 15:52 ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-20 20:14 ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-20 19:54 ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-20 22:02 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 7:30 ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-16 20:05 ` [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes Andrew Morton
2008-05-16 20:53 ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 20:58 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-16 21:45 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-16 22:03 ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 22:09 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-16 22:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-16 22:21 ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-16 22:53 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-17 0:20 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-17 0:35 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-17 13:43 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-17 17:59 ` Andreas Dilger
2008-05-17 20:44 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-20 14:45 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-18 0:48 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-18 1:36 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-18 14:49 ` Ric Wheeler
2008-05-20 14:42 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 23:48 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 23:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-18 20:03 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-19 0:43 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-19 2:29 ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-19 4:11 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-19 17:16 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-19 18:39 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-19 22:39 ` Jan Kara
2008-05-20 0:29 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-20 3:29 ` Timothy Shimmin
2008-05-20 12:04 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-20 8:25 ` Jens Axboe
2008-05-20 12:17 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-21 11:22 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-21 12:32 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-21 18:03 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 18:15 ` Eric Sandeen
2008-05-21 19:43 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 18:29 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-21 18:49 ` Andrew Morton
2008-05-21 19:42 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 19:36 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 19:40 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-21 19:54 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 14:58 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 22:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2008-05-20 23:35 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-19 0:28 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-20 15:13 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-21 20:25 ` Greg Smith
2008-05-16 22:30 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-18 19:54 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-19 13:26 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-19 14:46 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-20 2:51 ` [PATCH, RFC] ext4: Fix use of write barrier in commit logic Theodore Tso
2008-05-20 15:23 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-23 18:33 ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2008-05-20 15:36 ` [PATCH 0/4] (RESEND) ext3[34] barrier changes Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 16:02 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-20 16:27 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-20 17:08 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-20 22:26 ` Jamie Lokier
2008-05-19 9:04 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-29 13:36 ` Eric Sandeen
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