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From: Rick Jones <rick.jones2@hp.com>
To: Bill Fink <billfink@mindspring.com>
Cc: "Alejandro Riveira Fernández" <ariveira@gmail.com>,
	"Theodore Tso" <tytso@MIT.EDU>, "Glen Turner" <gdt@gdt.id.au>,
	"Chris Peterson" <cpeterso@cpeterso.com>,
	"Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"Lennart Sorensen" <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>,
	"Jeff Garzik" <jeff@garzik.org>,
	"Kok, Auke" <auke-jan.h.kok@intel.com>,
	"Brandeburg, Jesse" <jesse.brandeburg@intel.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] drivers/net: remove network drivers' last few uses of IRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 09:44:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <483C3A5A.6020207@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080526111458.fff6c311.billfink@mindspring.com>

> For systems with high resolution timers, even if an attacker has total
> knowledge/control of the network, it doesn't seem realistically possible
> for them to determine the low order bits of the nanosecond timer of
> disk and network I/O system calls, if those were used as a source of
> entropy. 

Around the same time I was working on getting the performance figures 
for the RNG in the Infineon TPM in the system I had, I tried, however 
briefly, to concoct a test using netperf and pulling the ITC on an 
Itanium processor to generate some randomness.  I'm not at all sure I 
was doing things correctly - I was pulling the bottom one to 4 bits of 
the ITC after each call to recv() of a TCP_RR test - but when I tried to 
feed the resulting trickle of data through diehard (which I may have 
been running poorly) it was giving nothing but a p value of 0.000000 
which while I don't grok the p-value itself, I understand that 
consistent value of 0.000000 is bad :(

So, I may have had a bad test case.  If someone has some suggestions for 
  a better test of the low-order-bits-of-the-interval-timer hypothesis 
I'd love to hear about them.

rick jones

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-05-27 16:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-15  7:11 [PATCH] drivers/net: remove network drivers' last few uses of IRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM Chris Peterson
2008-05-15 13:21 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-15 16:07   ` Brandeburg, Jesse
2008-05-15 16:39     ` Alan Cox
2008-05-15 18:14       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 18:47         ` Kok, Auke
2008-05-15 19:10           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 18:50         ` Rick Jones
2008-05-15 19:11           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 19:55         ` [PATCH] " Jeff Garzik
2008-05-16  0:27           ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-16  9:56             ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 10:19               ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-16 12:12                 ` Herbert Xu
2008-05-16 16:25                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-17  1:01                     ` Herbert Xu
2008-05-17 10:59                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-17 19:54                         ` Chris Peterson
2008-05-17 20:05                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-18 10:13                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-18 11:26                               ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-18 12:57                                 ` Joe Korty
2008-05-18 17:53                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-25 15:26                                   ` Glen Turner
2008-05-19 12:29                                 ` Benny Amorsen
2008-05-18 10:08                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-22  9:28                     ` Helge Hafting
2008-05-16 13:20                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-16 16:20                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-05-16 19:47               ` David Miller
2008-05-16 23:28         ` Rick Jones
2008-05-15 18:04     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 18:17       ` Rick Jones
2008-05-15 18:31         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 18:47           ` Kok, Auke
2008-05-15 19:21             ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 20:01               ` Chris Peterson
2008-05-15 20:16                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 20:39                   ` Kok, Auke
2008-05-15 21:47                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-15 21:58                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 22:29                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-05-15 22:44                       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 23:02                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-05-15 23:36                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-15 23:46                             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-05-15 23:33                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-15 23:58                           ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-05-16 13:21               ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 13:40                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-16 13:59                   ` Will Newton
2008-05-16 14:15                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 14:27                     ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-16 15:10                 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 17:36                   ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 18:11                     ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 18:40                       ` Kok, Auke
2008-05-18 10:59                         ` Matthias Andree
2008-05-16 18:41                       ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 18:42                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 20:04                         ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 20:39                           ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-05-16 20:46                             ` Alan Cox
2008-05-16 20:34                       ` Benny Amorsen
2008-05-25 15:02                         ` Glen Turner
2008-05-25 19:33                           ` Benny Amorsen
2008-05-17  4:55                       ` Chris Peterson
2008-05-25 15:09                         ` Glen Turner
2008-05-25 23:27                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-26 13:43                             ` Alejandro Riveira Fernández
2008-05-26 15:14                               ` Bill Fink
2008-05-26 21:07                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-05-26 21:52                                   ` Bill Fink
2008-05-26 22:11                                     ` Ben Hutchings
2008-05-27 16:44                                 ` Rick Jones [this message]
2008-05-30 19:50                                 ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                     ` <20080516191125.46 <20080525232712.GF5970@mit.edu>
2008-05-26 21:08                       ` Gilles Espinasse
2008-05-25 14:55             ` Glen Turner
     [not found]           ` <482C8550 <20080516161029.44ded734@core>
2008-05-16 20:08             ` Gilles Espinasse
2008-05-17 22:02               ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-18  6:41                 ` [PATCH] drivers/net: remove network drivers' last few uses ofIRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM Gilles Espinasse
2008-05-18  9:54                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-18 12:02                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-18 12:24                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-18 14:43                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-05-15 21:55     ` [PATCH] drivers/net: remove network drivers' last few uses of IRQF_SAMPLE_RANDOM Adrian Bunk
2008-05-15 22:04       ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-15 22:27         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-15 22:13       ` Jesper Juhl
2008-05-15 22:34         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-15 22:57           ` Jesper Juhl
2008-05-18  0:36       ` Matt Mackall
2008-05-18 11:03         ` Matthias Andree
2008-05-15 22:42     ` Jeff Garzik
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-04-10  5:29 Chris Peterson
2010-04-15  6:42 ` David Miller

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