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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 10:43:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <483D99CA.8050802@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1211995212.3445.52.camel@localhost.localdomain>

James Bottomley wrote:
> 
> but there are many more.  The greatest problem, as I see it is that by
> pouring vitriol like this on newbies, we're really damaging our
> reputation as a community that welcomes newcomers and strangling our
> necessary supply of willing volunteers.  On the other hand, as a
> maintainer, when there's people yelling me at about patches not being
> included plus a persistent regressions list and about ten bug reports to
> track down, the last thing I want to see within a million miles of my
> inbox is a white space fixing patch.  The more of these patches we get,
> the worse the problem becomes and the shorter and more inflammatory the
> responses get. We can't go on like this.
> 

As far as whitespace fixes, it seems we should just declare a flag day, 
specifically, right before Linus releases 2.6.26 or .27 he'd run 
"cleanfile" on the WHOLE TREE and check it in (either as one patch or 
several.)

After that, one would either have to use "patch -l" to refresh patches 
across the flag day, or I would write a reverse version of "cleanpatch" 
(one which cleans the minus lines and the context instead of the output) 
to fix them up.

Then the whole tree would be whitespace-clean, it would concentrate the 
pain to a single event, and then we can go on with life.

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-28 17:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-28 17:20 [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project James Bottomley
2008-05-28 17:43 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-05-28 19:08 ` Rik van Riel
2008-05-28 20:15   ` Chris Mason
2008-05-29 10:34     ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-31  8:38       ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-28 20:38   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 20:49 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 21:01   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 21:31     ` Pekka Enberg
2008-05-28 21:42       ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:18         ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 22:35           ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:51             ` Greg KH
2008-05-28 23:23               ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-29  0:36                 ` Greg KH
2008-05-29  1:00                   ` Dave Jones
2008-05-29  2:26                     ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 20:23                       ` How many contributors are we losing Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 20:46                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-30 20:47                         ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 23:37                           ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Grant Grundler
2008-05-31 19:53                             ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-30 21:01                         ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Daniel Walker
2008-05-30 21:13                         ` Hugh Dickins
2008-05-30 22:05                           ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 22:53                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-30 23:10                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31  1:12                         ` Josh Boyer
2008-05-29  6:12               ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29  6:09             ` David Miller
2008-05-29 13:24               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 14:36               ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 15:06                 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-29 16:32                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-30  0:24                     ` Stefan Richter
2008-06-02 10:32                     ` Jiri Kosina
2008-06-02 10:43                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-29 17:37                   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 20:24                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-31 19:21                   ` Lars Noschinski
2008-06-01 16:09                     ` store-same-blocksonce (was Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project) Pavel Machek
2008-06-02  8:18               ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project Paul Jackson
2008-05-29  2:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29  5:58 ` David Miller
2008-05-29  6:17   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 12:45     ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 16:15       ` RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 16:47         ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Greg KH
2008-05-29 20:29           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-29 20:47             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 20:55               ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-29 20:59                 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 21:03                 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30  9:20                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30 10:38                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:31                 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:57                   ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-30  9:52                     ` Takashi Iwai
2008-05-30 10:37                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:09             ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:11               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-29 23:04                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 13:47                   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-06-01 16:17                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-06 14:46                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-07  9:53                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-08 11:13                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2008-05-29 22:11               ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 18:37                 ` Grant Grundler
2008-06-07 22:14               ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-29 19:12         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-29 21:17           ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 23:39             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30  9:31               ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30  9:50                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30 13:53                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-30 21:08                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-30 23:14                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31 14:05                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-31 15:10                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30  1:27             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 21:18           ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30  1:22         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 20:54       ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29 20:59         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:12           ` Greg KH
2008-05-30  1:25           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  2:20             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:14         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 21:39           ` David Miller
2008-06-01 14:11             ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 14:24               ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 16:21                 ` s2ram video problems " Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 17:55                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:04                   ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 18:14                     ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 18:14                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:17               ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 20:22                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 20:36                   ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 23:56                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  1:20       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  6:55         ` David Miller
2008-05-29 16:03     ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-30  0:40       ` Neil Brown
2008-05-29 14:26   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 11:32 ` Helge Hafting
2008-05-29 13:44 ` Adrian Bunk

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