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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com,
	ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of	the kernel.
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:29:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <483F1232.4010003@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080529164745.GA21763@kroah.com>

Greg KH wrote:
>> And at that point I'd like to remove them completely, to a separate git
>> tree and tarball. Those who really want to build them in to their static
>> kernel would still be able to, but it wouldn't be the default behaviour.
> 
> This I disagree with.  Leaving it in a single directory makes it easier
> for some distros to patch it away to apease their feelings about the
> issue.  But for some of use, we like the firmware in our kernels, it
> makes it easier to boot for one, and we don't have to deal with
> different firmware packages.  So I say leave them in, with the option to
> get them elsewhere, like you are doing.
> 

I very much would like to see a kernel-firmware or something tarbal that contains
a copy of all relevant "freely distributable" firmware, that users can just install
independent of the actual kernel version (and that kbuild would just pick up somehow).
That way we can deal with a lot more firmware without having to pollute the kernel / kernel release process
(after all, the timing is different in terms of releasing) while making it easy
to get the lot of it.

Now.. of course what "freely distributable" means is a huge debate. I don't care ;)

  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-29 20:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-28 17:20 [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project James Bottomley
2008-05-28 17:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-28 19:08 ` Rik van Riel
2008-05-28 20:15   ` Chris Mason
2008-05-29 10:34     ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-31  8:38       ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-28 20:38   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 20:49 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 21:01   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 21:31     ` Pekka Enberg
2008-05-28 21:42       ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:18         ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 22:35           ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:51             ` Greg KH
2008-05-28 23:23               ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-29  0:36                 ` Greg KH
2008-05-29  1:00                   ` Dave Jones
2008-05-29  2:26                     ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 20:23                       ` How many contributors are we losing Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 20:46                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-30 20:47                         ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 23:37                           ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Grant Grundler
2008-05-31 19:53                             ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-30 21:01                         ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Daniel Walker
2008-05-30 21:13                         ` Hugh Dickins
2008-05-30 22:05                           ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 22:53                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-30 23:10                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31  1:12                         ` Josh Boyer
2008-05-29  6:12               ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29  6:09             ` David Miller
2008-05-29 13:24               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 14:36               ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 15:06                 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-29 16:32                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-30  0:24                     ` Stefan Richter
2008-06-02 10:32                     ` Jiri Kosina
2008-06-02 10:43                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-29 17:37                   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 20:24                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-31 19:21                   ` Lars Noschinski
2008-06-01 16:09                     ` store-same-blocksonce (was Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project) Pavel Machek
2008-06-02  8:18               ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project Paul Jackson
2008-05-29  2:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29  5:58 ` David Miller
2008-05-29  6:17   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 12:45     ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 16:15       ` RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 16:47         ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Greg KH
2008-05-29 20:29           ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2008-05-29 20:47             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 20:55               ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-29 20:59                 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 21:03                 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30  9:20                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30 10:38                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:31                 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:57                   ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-30  9:52                     ` Takashi Iwai
2008-05-30 10:37                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:09             ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:11               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-29 23:04                 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 13:47                   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-06-01 16:17                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-06 14:46                     ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-07  9:53                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-08 11:13                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2008-05-29 22:11               ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 18:37                 ` Grant Grundler
2008-06-07 22:14               ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-29 19:12         ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-29 21:17           ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 23:39             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30  9:31               ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30  9:50                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30 13:53                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-30 21:08                   ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-30 23:14                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31 14:05                   ` Alan Cox
2008-05-31 15:10                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30  1:27             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 21:18           ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30  1:22         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 20:54       ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29 20:59         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:12           ` Greg KH
2008-05-30  1:25           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  2:20             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:14         ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 21:39           ` David Miller
2008-06-01 14:11             ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 14:24               ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 16:21                 ` s2ram video problems " Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 17:55                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:04                   ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 18:14                     ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 18:14                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:17               ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 20:22                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 20:36                   ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 23:56                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  1:20       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30  6:55         ` David Miller
2008-05-29 16:03     ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-30  0:40       ` Neil Brown
2008-05-29 14:26   ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 11:32 ` Helge Hafting
2008-05-29 13:44 ` Adrian Bunk

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