From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: greg@kroah.com, dwmw2@infradead.org,
James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com,
ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel.
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:11:51 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <483F1C17.8040207@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080529.140919.160813310.davem@davemloft.net>
David Miller wrote:
> Arjan, by definition the firmware has to be tied to the kernel somehow.
> THe datastructure and other aspects are often tied directly to
> the firmware version loaded.
agreed that there are cases like this, and I have no personal objection to having
those in the kernel.
> If debian or whoever else have these concernes and want to rip the
> firmware out, it is one hundred percent their problem to patch things
> out of the kernel tree they use.
I don't care at all about the argument from that camp.
My aim was more the opposite: be able to get MORE firmware easily used/loaded,
not less. Right now it's a royal pain for users to get all the right pieces of
firmware.... having ONE place to put all that would go a long way of making that
side of things easier.
If you want to argue that that should be in the kernel tarbal itself, you won't
hear me complain. But others will... and for that a 2nd tarbal might well be the answer.
Just we shouldn't need 100 tarbals.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-29 21:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-28 17:20 [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project James Bottomley
2008-05-28 17:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-28 19:08 ` Rik van Riel
2008-05-28 20:15 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-29 10:34 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-31 8:38 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-28 20:38 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 20:49 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 21:01 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 21:31 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-05-28 21:42 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:18 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 22:35 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:51 ` Greg KH
2008-05-28 23:23 ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-29 0:36 ` Greg KH
2008-05-29 1:00 ` Dave Jones
2008-05-29 2:26 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 20:23 ` How many contributors are we losing Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 20:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-30 20:47 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 23:37 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Grant Grundler
2008-05-31 19:53 ` Stefan Richter
2008-05-30 21:01 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Daniel Walker
2008-05-30 21:13 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-05-30 22:05 ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 22:53 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-30 23:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31 1:12 ` Josh Boyer
2008-05-29 6:12 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29 6:09 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 13:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 14:36 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 15:06 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-29 16:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-30 0:24 ` Stefan Richter
2008-06-02 10:32 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-06-02 10:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-29 17:37 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 20:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-31 19:21 ` Lars Noschinski
2008-06-01 16:09 ` store-same-blocksonce (was Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project) Pavel Machek
2008-06-02 8:18 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project Paul Jackson
2008-05-29 2:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 5:58 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 6:17 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 12:45 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 16:15 ` RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 16:47 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Greg KH
2008-05-29 20:29 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-29 20:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 20:55 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-29 20:59 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 21:03 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 9:20 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30 10:38 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:31 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:57 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-30 9:52 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-05-30 10:37 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:09 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:11 ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2008-05-29 23:04 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 13:47 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-06-01 16:17 ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-06 14:46 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-07 9:53 ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-08 11:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2008-05-29 22:11 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 18:37 ` Grant Grundler
2008-06-07 22:14 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-29 19:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-29 21:17 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 23:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30 9:31 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30 9:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30 13:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-30 21:08 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-30 23:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31 14:05 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-31 15:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30 1:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 21:18 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 1:22 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 20:54 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29 20:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:12 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 1:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30 2:20 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:14 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 21:39 ` David Miller
2008-06-01 14:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 14:24 ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 16:21 ` s2ram video problems " Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 17:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:04 ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 18:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:14 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 18:17 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 20:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 20:36 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 23:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30 1:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30 6:55 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 16:03 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-30 0:40 ` Neil Brown
2008-05-29 14:26 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 11:32 ` Helge Hafting
2008-05-29 13:44 ` Adrian Bunk
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