From: Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>
To: Grant Grundler <grundler@google.com>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
ksummit-2008-discuss@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: How many contributors are we losing
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 21:53:15 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4841ACAB.5020103@s5r6.in-berlin.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <da824cf30805301637l2aa80d46l3d941eba92212995@mail.gmail.com>
Grant Grundler wrote:
> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com> wrote:
>> And I think that shows we are easy to get a
>> change into our tree from just about anyone, not that we are driving
>> people away.
>
> I still don't buy this. I've been contributing to linux kernel since about
> 1999 and it's definitely not getting easier. The size of SubmittingPatches
> is one indicator of how much work it is to submit a patch.
> SubmittingPatches is now 600 lines (3400+ words).
This growth of SubmittingPatches and related documents also partly means
that we now have
- more tools available for QA before posting,
- more documentation on these tools,
- more comprehensive documentation on the workflows.
To some degree, this should make contributions easier rather than harder.
It may of course also mean that some expectations are higher now, as you
are saying AFAIU. However, with scarce reviewer base (and scarce early
testers base, compared to the whole userbase), it's not a bad thing for
the project health if patches, when first posted, already have a good
level of quality. We want many good contributions, not just many
contributions. Of course if there were many reviewers and many mentors,
than we could do with lower initial quality of submissions.
--
Stefan Richter
-=====-==--- -=-= =====
http://arcgraph.de/sr/
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Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-28 17:20 [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project James Bottomley
2008-05-28 17:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-28 19:08 ` Rik van Riel
2008-05-28 20:15 ` Chris Mason
2008-05-29 10:34 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-31 8:38 ` Pavel Machek
2008-05-28 20:38 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 20:49 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 21:01 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 21:31 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-05-28 21:42 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:18 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-28 22:35 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-28 22:51 ` Greg KH
2008-05-28 23:23 ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-29 0:36 ` Greg KH
2008-05-29 1:00 ` Dave Jones
2008-05-29 2:26 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 20:23 ` How many contributors are we losing Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 20:46 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-05-30 20:47 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 23:37 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Grant Grundler
2008-05-31 19:53 ` Stefan Richter [this message]
2008-05-30 21:01 ` Daniel Walker
2008-05-30 21:13 ` Hugh Dickins
2008-05-30 22:05 ` Luck, Tony
2008-05-30 22:53 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-30 23:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31 1:12 ` Josh Boyer
2008-05-29 6:12 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29 6:09 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 13:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 14:36 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 15:06 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-05-29 16:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-30 0:24 ` Stefan Richter
2008-06-02 10:32 ` Jiri Kosina
2008-06-02 10:43 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-29 17:37 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 20:24 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-05-31 19:21 ` Lars Noschinski
2008-06-01 16:09 ` store-same-blocksonce (was Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project) Pavel Machek
2008-06-02 8:18 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project Paul Jackson
2008-05-29 2:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 5:58 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 6:17 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 12:45 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 16:15 ` RFC: Moving firmware blobs out of the kernel David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 16:47 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Greg KH
2008-05-29 20:29 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-29 20:47 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 20:55 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-29 20:59 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 21:03 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 9:20 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30 10:38 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:31 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:57 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-05-30 9:52 ` Takashi Iwai
2008-05-30 10:37 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-29 21:09 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 21:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-05-29 23:04 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 13:47 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-06-01 16:17 ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-06 14:46 ` David Woodhouse
2008-06-07 9:53 ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-08 11:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2008-05-29 22:11 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 18:37 ` Grant Grundler
2008-06-07 22:14 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-29 19:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-29 21:17 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] " Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-29 23:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30 9:31 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-30 9:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-30 13:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-05-30 21:08 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-05-30 23:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-31 14:05 ` Alan Cox
2008-05-31 15:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-05-30 1:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 21:18 ` David Woodhouse
2008-05-30 1:22 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-29 20:54 ` [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project David Miller
2008-05-29 20:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:12 ` Greg KH
2008-05-30 1:25 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30 2:20 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-05-29 21:14 ` Theodore Tso
2008-05-29 21:39 ` David Miller
2008-06-01 14:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 14:24 ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 16:21 ` s2ram video problems " Pavel Machek
2008-06-01 17:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:04 ` James Bottomley
2008-06-01 18:14 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 18:14 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-06-01 18:17 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 20:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-06-01 20:36 ` Matthew Garrett
2008-06-01 23:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30 1:20 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-05-30 6:55 ` David Miller
2008-05-29 16:03 ` Jonathan Corbet
2008-05-30 0:40 ` Neil Brown
2008-05-29 14:26 ` James Bottomley
2008-05-29 11:32 ` Helge Hafting
2008-05-29 13:44 ` Adrian Bunk
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