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From: "Gregory Haskins" <ghaskins@novell.com>
To: "Nick Piggin" <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: <mingo@elte.hu>, <rostedt@goodmis.org>, <peterz@infradead.org>,
	<tglx@linutronix.de>, "David Bahi" <DBahi@novell.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] sched: terminate newidle balancing once at least one task has moved over
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:39:22 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4860261A.BA47.005A.0@novell.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200806241050.12028.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>

Hi Nick,

>>> On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at  8:50 PM, in message
<200806241050.12028.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>, Nick Piggin
<nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote: 
> On Tuesday 24 June 2008 09:04, Gregory Haskins wrote:
>> Inspired by Peter Zijlstra.
> 
> Is this really getting tested well?   Because at least for SCHED_OTHER
> tasks,

Note that this only affects SCHED_OTHER.  RT tasks are handled with a different algorithm.

> the newidle balancer is still supposed to be relatively
> conservative and not over balance too much.

In our testing, newidle is degrading the system (at least for certain workloads).  Oprofile was
showing that newidle can account for 60-80% of the CPU during our benchmark runs. Turning
off newidle *completely* by commenting out idle_balance() boosts netperf performance by
200% for our 8-core to 8-core UDP transaction test. Obviously neutering it is not sustainable
as a general solution, so we are trying to reduce its negative impact.

It is not clear whether the problem is that newidle is over-balancing the system, or that newidle
is simply running too frequently as a symptom of a system that has a high frequency of context
switching (such as -rt).  I  suspected the latter, so I was attracted to Peter's idea based
on the concept of shortening the time we execute this function.  But I have to admit, unlike 1/3
and 2/3 which I have carefully benchmarked individually and know make a positive performance
impact, I pulled this in more on theory.  I will try to benchmark this individually as well.

> By the time you have
> done all this calculation and reached here, it will be a loss to only
> move one task if you could have moved two and halved your newidle
> balance rate...

Thats an interesting point that I did not consider, but note that a very significant chunk of the overhead
I believe comes from the double_lock/move_tasks code after the algorithmic complexity is completed.

I believe the primary motivation of this patch is related to reducing the overall latency in the schedule()
critical section.  Currently this operation can perform an unbounded move_task operation in a
preempt-disabled region (which, as an aside, is always SCHED_OTHER related).

Since the bare minimum requirement is to move at least one task, I think this is a tradeoff: newidle
balance-rate vs critical-section depth.  For RT obviously we put more weight on the latter, but perhaps
this is not a mainline worthy concept afterall.  I will defer to Peter to comment further.

Thanks for the review, Nick.

Regards,
-Greg

> 
>> Signed-off-by: Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@novell.com>
>> ---
>>
>>  kernel/sched.c |    4 ++++
>>  1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/kernel/sched.c b/kernel/sched.c
>> index 3efbbc5..c8e8520 100644
>> --- a/kernel/sched.c
>> +++ b/kernel/sched.c
>> @@ -2775,6 +2775,10 @@ static int move_tasks(struct rq *this_rq, int
>> this_cpu, struct rq *busiest, max_load_move - total_load_moved,
>>  				sd, idle, all_pinned, &this_best_prio);
>>  		class = class->next;
>> +
>> +		if (idle == CPU_NEWLY_IDLE && this_rq->nr_running)
>> +			break;
>> +
>>  	} while (class && max_load_move > total_load_moved);
>>
>>  	return total_load_moved > 0;
>>
>> --



  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-06-24  1:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-23 23:04 [PATCH 0/3] RT: scheduler newidle enhancements Gregory Haskins
2008-06-23 23:04 ` [PATCH 1/3] sched: enable interrupts and drop rq-lock during newidle balancing Gregory Haskins
2008-06-24  0:11   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-06-24 10:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-24 13:15     ` [PATCH 1/3] sched: enable interrupts and drop rq-lock duringnewidle balancing Gregory Haskins
2008-06-24 12:24       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-24 12:39         ` [PATCH 1/3] sched: enable interrupts and drop rq-lockduringnewidle balancing Gregory Haskins
2008-06-23 23:04 ` [PATCH 2/3] sched: only run newidle if previous task was CFS Gregory Haskins
2008-06-24  9:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-24 10:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-23 23:04 ` [PATCH 3/3] sched: terminate newidle balancing once at least one task has moved over Gregory Haskins
2008-06-24  0:50   ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-24  1:07     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-06-24  1:26       ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-24  2:39     ` Gregory Haskins [this message]
2008-06-24  1:46       ` Nick Piggin
2008-06-24  2:59         ` Gregory Haskins
2008-06-24 10:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-24 13:18     ` [PATCH 3/3] sched: terminate newidle balancing once at leastone " Gregory Haskins
2008-06-24 13:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-24 16:55         ` [PATCH 3/3] sched: terminate newidle balancing once atleastone " Gregory Haskins
2008-06-24 19:44           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-24  0:15 ` [PATCH 0/3] RT: scheduler newidle enhancements Steven Rostedt
2008-06-24  1:51 ` Gregory Haskins
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-06-24 14:15 [PATCH 0/3] RT: scheduler newidle enhancements v2 Gregory Haskins
2008-06-24 14:16 ` [PATCH 3/3] sched: terminate newidle balancing once at least one task has moved over Gregory Haskins

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