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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
Cc: "Török Edwin" <edwintorok@gmail.com>,
	"Linux Kernel" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Ctrl+C doesn't interrupt process waiting for I/O
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:25:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48672ADE.1090300@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48671FF6.1070501@qumranet.com>

Avi Kivity wrote:
> Applications should not assume that write() (or other syscalls) can't 
> return EINTR.  Not all filesystems have a bounded-time backing store.

The distinction between 'fast' (filesystem) and 'slow' (terminals and 
pipes) blocking syscalls goes back to the earliest days of Unix, and is 
part of the ABI.  Most filesystem syscalls are not documented to ever 
return EINTR.

> 'soft' has its own problems; namely false positives when someone steps 
> on the network cable, temporarily blocking packet flow, or when using 
> a clustered server which may take some time to recover from a fault.

Sure.  It's the basic problem of trying to make network access 
transparent by hiding the failure modes.  You either need to put up with 
spurious timeouts caused by transient failures, or unbounded blocking on 
real failures.

Regardless, NFS is the exception here, and making normal block-backed 
filesystems start throwing EINTRs around would be a huge behavioural change.

    J

  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-29  6:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-28 10:38 Ctrl+C doesn't interrupt process waiting for I/O Török Edwin
2008-06-29  2:44 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-29  2:45   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-29  3:42   ` Avi Kivity
2008-06-29  5:13     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-29  5:39       ` Avi Kivity
2008-06-29  6:25         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2008-06-29  7:45           ` Török Edwin
2008-06-29 23:57           ` Bill Davidsen
2008-06-29 12:37         ` Alan Cox
2008-06-30 17:35       ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-06-29  7:09   ` Török Edwin
2008-06-29  7:23   ` David Newall
2008-06-29 12:10   ` Andi Kleen
2008-06-29 16:02     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-30 10:30       ` Helge Hafting
2008-07-01  7:47 ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-07-01  8:02   ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-07-01  8:28     ` Török Edwin
2008-07-01  9:59       ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-07-01 12:07       ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-01  8:50   ` David Newall
2008-07-01  9:01     ` Török Edwin
2008-07-01  9:12       ` David Newall
2008-07-01 14:12   ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-01 14:48     ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-07-01 16:27       ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-02 21:26   ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-04 20:10   ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-04 20:23     ` Alan Cox
2008-07-04 21:17       ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-11 14:47         ` Alan Cox
2008-07-12  0:44           ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-12 10:37             ` Alan Cox
2008-07-04 21:21       ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-04 21:14         ` Alan Cox
2008-07-04 21:36           ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-04 21:44             ` Alan Cox
2008-07-04 22:09               ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-05 10:34                 ` Alan Cox
2008-07-05 11:00                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-05 11:34                     ` Alan Cox
2008-07-05 12:49                     ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-07-05 14:01                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-05 19:58                       ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-06  8:28                         ` Elias Oltmanns
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2008-07-03  0:59 Matthew Wilcox

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