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From: "Török Edwin" <edwintorok@gmail.com>
To: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Ctrl+C doesn't interrupt process waiting for I/O
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:45:50 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48673DAE.6050905@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48672ADE.1090300@goop.org>

Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
> Avi Kivity wrote:
>> Applications should not assume that write() (or other syscalls) can't
>> return EINTR.  Not all filesystems have a bounded-time backing store.
>
> The distinction between 'fast' (filesystem) and 'slow' (terminals and
> pipes) blocking syscalls goes back to the earliest days of Unix, and
> is part of the ABI.  Most filesystem syscalls are not documented to
> ever return EINTR.

POSIX documents EINTR for write(), and the manpage on my Linux distro
says the same.
However I don't think introducing EINTR would be beneficial (it will
likely cause applications that don't expect it to break).

>
>> 'soft' has its own problems; namely false positives when someone
>> steps on the network cable, temporarily blocking packet flow, or when
>> using a clustered server which may take some time to recover from a
>> fault.
>
> Sure.  It's the basic problem of trying to make network access
> transparent by hiding the failure modes.  You either need to put up
> with spurious timeouts caused by transient failures, or unbounded
> blocking on real failures.
>
> Regardless, NFS is the exception here, and making normal block-backed
> filesystems start throwing EINTRs around would be a huge behavioural
> change.

Agreed.

Best regards,
--Edwin

  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-29  7:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-28 10:38 Ctrl+C doesn't interrupt process waiting for I/O Török Edwin
2008-06-29  2:44 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-29  2:45   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-29  3:42   ` Avi Kivity
2008-06-29  5:13     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-29  5:39       ` Avi Kivity
2008-06-29  6:25         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-29  7:45           ` Török Edwin [this message]
2008-06-29 23:57           ` Bill Davidsen
2008-06-29 12:37         ` Alan Cox
2008-06-30 17:35       ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-06-29  7:09   ` Török Edwin
2008-06-29  7:23   ` David Newall
2008-06-29 12:10   ` Andi Kleen
2008-06-29 16:02     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-30 10:30       ` Helge Hafting
2008-07-01  7:47 ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-07-01  8:02   ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-07-01  8:28     ` Török Edwin
2008-07-01  9:59       ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-07-01 12:07       ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-01  8:50   ` David Newall
2008-07-01  9:01     ` Török Edwin
2008-07-01  9:12       ` David Newall
2008-07-01 14:12   ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-01 14:48     ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-07-01 16:27       ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-02 21:26   ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-04 20:10   ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-04 20:23     ` Alan Cox
2008-07-04 21:17       ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-11 14:47         ` Alan Cox
2008-07-12  0:44           ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-12 10:37             ` Alan Cox
2008-07-04 21:21       ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-04 21:14         ` Alan Cox
2008-07-04 21:36           ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-04 21:44             ` Alan Cox
2008-07-04 22:09               ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-05 10:34                 ` Alan Cox
2008-07-05 11:00                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-05 11:34                     ` Alan Cox
2008-07-05 12:49                     ` Elias Oltmanns
2008-07-05 14:01                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-05 19:58                       ` Joe Peterson
2008-07-06  8:28                         ` Elias Oltmanns
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-07-03  0:59 Matthew Wilcox

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