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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Xen devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Christoph Lameter <clameter@linux-foundation.org>,
	Petr Tesarik <ptesarik@suse.cz>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Friebel <thomas.friebel@amd.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/4] Paravirtual spinlocks
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 17:37:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4872B6E2.5080003@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200807081029.19242.rusty@rustcorp.com.au>

Rusty Russell wrote:
> On Tuesday 08 July 2008 05:07:49 Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>   
>> At the most recent Xen Summit, Thomas Friebel presented a paper
>> ("Preventing Guests from Spinning Around",
>> http://xen.org/files/xensummitboston08/LHP.pdf) investigating the
>> interactions between spinlocks and virtual machines.  Specifically, he
>> looked at what happens when a lock-holding VCPU gets involuntarily
>> preempted.
>>     
>
> I find it interesting that gang scheduling the guest was not suggested as an 
> obvious solution.
>   

It's an obvious answer, but not an obvious solution.  You trade off 
wasting time spinning vs wasting time waiting for N vcpus to be free for 
scheduling.  Or something; seems much more complex, particularly if you 
can do a small guest tweak to solve the problem.

> Anyway, concept looks fine; lguest's solution is more elegant of course :)
>   

You could remove all mutable state and call it "erlang".

> A little disappointing that you can't patch your version inline.

Spinlock code isn't inlined currently, so I hadn't considered it.  The 
fast path code for both lock and unlock is nearly small enough to 
consider it, but it seems a bit fiddly.

If the "spin_lock" and "spin_unlock" functions were inlined functions 
which called the out of line __raw_spin_lock/unlock functions, then 
after patching they would result in a direct call to the backend lock 
functions, which would be exactly equivalent to what happens now (since 
I hook __raw_spin_lock into calls via pv_lock_ops).

    J


  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-08  0:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-07-07 19:07 [PATCH RFC 0/4] Paravirtual spinlocks Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-07 19:07 ` [PATCH RFC 1/4] x86/paravirt: add hooks for spinlock operations Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-07 19:07 ` [PATCH RFC 2/4] paravirt: introduce a "lock-byte" spinlock implementation Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-07 19:07 ` [PATCH RFC 3/4] xen: use lock-byte " Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-07 19:07 ` [PATCH RFC 4/4] xen: implement Xen-specific spinlocks Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-08  6:37   ` Johannes Weiner
2008-07-08  7:15     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-08  7:30       ` Johannes Weiner
2008-07-08  0:29 ` [PATCH RFC 0/4] Paravirtual spinlocks Rusty Russell
2008-07-08  0:37   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2008-07-08  1:01     ` Rusty Russell
2008-07-08  4:51   ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-08  5:28     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 12:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 12:35   ` [patch] x86: paravirt spinlocks, !CONFIG_SMP build fixes (was: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/4] Paravirtual spinlocks) Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 12:39   ` [patch] x86: paravirt spinlocks, modular build fix " Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 13:33   ` [PATCH RFC 0/4] Paravirtual spinlocks Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 13:49     ` [patch] x86, paravirt-spinlocks: fix boot hang (was: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/4] Paravirtual spinlocks) Ingo Molnar
2008-07-09 15:55       ` [patch] x86, paravirt-spinlocks: fix boot hang Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-09 19:26         ` Ingo Molnar

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