From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
Petr Tesarik <ptesarik@suse.cz>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Spinlocks: Factor our GENERIC_LOCKBREAK in order to avoid spin with irqs disable
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:57:04 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <487301B0.8050801@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200807081207.34453.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Nick Piggin wrote:
> On Tuesday 08 July 2008 06:14, Jeremy Fitzhardinge wrote:
>
>
>> The other point, of course, is that ticket locks are massive overkill
>> for the problem they're trying to solve.
>>
>
> No they aren't.
>
>
>
>> It's one thing to introduce an
>> element of fairness into spinlocks, its another to impose strict FIFO
>> ordering. It would be enough to make the locks "polite" by preventing a
>> new lock-holder from taking the lock while its under contention.
>> Something like:
>>
>> union lock {
>> unsigned short word;
>> struct { unsigned char lock, count; };
>> };
>>
>> spin_lock: # ebx - lock pointer
>> movw $0x0001, %ax # add 1 to lock, 0 to count
>> xaddw %ax, (%ebx) # attempt to take lock and test user count
>> testw %ax,%ax
>> jnz slow
>>
>> taken: ret
>>
>> # slow path
>> slow: lock incb 1(%ebx) # inc count
>>
>> 1: rep;nop
>> cmpb $0,(%ebx)
>> jnz 1b # wait for unlocked
>>
>> movb $1,%al # attempt to take lock (count already increased)
>> xchgb %al,(%ebx)
>> testb %al,%al
>> jnz 1b
>>
>> lock decb 1(%ebx) # drop count
>> jmp taken
>>
>> spin_unlock:
>> movb $0,(%ebx)
>> ret
>>
>>
>> The uncontended fastpath is similar to the pre-ticket locks, but it
>> refuses to take the lock if there are other waiters, even if the lock is
>> not currently held. This prevents the rapid lock-unlock cycle on one
>> CPU from starving another CPU, which I understand was the original
>> problem tickets locks were trying to solve.
>>
>
> They prevent lots of unfairness and starvation problems. The most
> prominent one (ie. actually observed in Linux) was a single CPU
> being totally starved by N others (to the point where lockup timers
> would kick in).
>
Yep. My understanding was that the specific case was that cpu A was
repeatedly taking and releasing the lock, while other cpus spin waiting
for it, and that the cache coherence logic kept the cacheline owned by A
(presumably because it kept modifying it). Ticket locks work well in
this case because, as you say, it enforces a fairness policy that the
hardware doesn't implement. Are there other cases that ticket locks
help with? Does the algorithm above solve the starvation issue?
> As an aside, these locks you propose are also a lot more costly in
> the contended path. 4 vs 1 atomic operations on the lock cacheline
> is not so great.
>
Yep, that's not great. But it doesn't bounce cache lines around as much
either, so perhaps it doesn't make much difference.
But really, I was being my own devil's advocate, to see if there's some
other lock algorithm which satisfies both the normal ticket-lock case
and the virtualization case.
I have no real objections to ticket locks, so long as I can turn them off ;)
J
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-07-08 5:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-06 19:26 Spinlocks waiting with interrupts disabled / preempt disabled Christoph Lameter
2008-05-07 7:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-07 17:04 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-07 17:24 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-07 18:49 ` Spinlocks: Factor our GENERIC_LOCKBREAK in order to avoid spin with irqs disable Christoph Lameter
2008-05-09 10:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-05-09 16:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-23 17:19 ` Petr Tesarik
2008-06-23 17:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-23 18:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-23 20:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-23 20:45 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-23 20:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-26 2:51 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-26 6:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-06-26 15:49 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-06-26 9:17 ` Petr Tesarik
2008-06-26 17:02 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-06-26 17:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-07 11:50 ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-07 11:52 ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-07 15:56 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-08 2:08 ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-07 15:53 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-07 19:46 ` Rik van Riel
2008-07-07 20:14 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-07-08 2:07 ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-08 5:57 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2008-07-08 8:41 ` Nick Piggin
2008-07-08 15:58 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-05-09 16:35 ` Spinlocks waiting with interrupts disabled / preempt disabled Olaf Weber
2008-05-09 17:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-09 18:00 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-05-09 18:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-05-09 20:01 ` Olaf Weber
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