From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [GIT *] Allow request_firmware() to be satisfied from in-kernel, use it in more drivers.
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:16:53 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <487CDB85.3050208@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0807150808050.3017@woody.linux-foundation.org>
Linus Torvalds wrote:
> I call bullshit. You don't like the change - ok.
SIGH. Wrong, wrong, wrong. I have always thought request_firmware()
was a good idea, even if it decreased reliability. Because we need that
ability and that API.
The changes are good,
They just don't need to break stuff.
Which they do.
> But stop making bogus
> arguments about it.
How many more real world examples of breakage do you need?
* This breaks newer kernel / older userland
* This breaks anywhere with a file list for modules' contents (ipkg
kernel module packages)
* This breaks driver disk build packages
* This breaks for the oddball, not just me, who
* This breaks for an unknown amount of people who have been assuming
that their driver will always work when modprobe'd, even though they are
completely unaware of its new firmware needs
All these are cases in use today. Real users, Linus. Real distros.
Jeff
P.S. And as I stated in another email, I'm happy to help fix this
regression.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-07-15 17:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 227+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-07-14 23:23 [GIT *] Allow request_firmware() to be satisfied from in-kernel, use it in more drivers David Woodhouse
2008-07-14 23:41 ` Andrew Morton
2008-07-14 23:47 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-14 23:53 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-07-15 0:23 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 0:31 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-07-15 0:50 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 1:08 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-07-15 7:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-15 0:50 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-07-15 0:52 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 0:53 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-07-15 1:13 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 20:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-07-15 20:49 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 20:57 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 23:45 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-07-16 7:01 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-16 21:28 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-07-16 22:42 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-17 20:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-07-17 21:25 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-17 22:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-07-18 4:15 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-14 23:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-15 0:06 ` david
2008-07-15 0:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 0:51 ` david
2008-07-15 1:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 1:18 ` david
2008-07-15 2:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 2:47 ` david
2008-07-15 7:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 15:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 17:01 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 17:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 17:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 17:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 17:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 18:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 18:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 18:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 18:20 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 18:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 18:30 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 20:00 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 20:06 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 20:30 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 21:24 ` david
2008-07-15 18:44 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 18:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 19:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 18:58 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-15 19:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 19:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 21:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 21:24 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 21:47 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 22:42 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 22:45 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 23:05 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 21:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 21:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 22:12 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 22:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-16 0:55 ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2008-07-16 8:02 ` Gabor Gombas
2008-07-16 4:55 ` Rene Herman
2008-07-15 19:27 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 1:52 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 2:23 ` Rene Herman
2008-07-15 2:24 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 2:32 ` Rene Herman
2008-07-15 2:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 2:45 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 4:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-15 5:09 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 5:45 ` david
2008-07-15 6:03 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 6:23 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-07-15 14:40 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 16:52 ` Oliver Neukum
2008-07-15 18:09 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 5:32 ` Rene Herman
2008-07-15 3:06 ` Rene Herman
2008-07-15 23:33 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-07-15 5:15 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-15 5:30 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 1:50 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 2:54 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 5:34 ` david
2008-07-15 0:36 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 0:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 0:44 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 5:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-07-15 2:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 2:17 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 2:23 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 2:52 ` david
2008-07-15 4:45 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-15 1:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 2:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 2:19 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 2:22 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 2:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 2:40 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 2:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 3:05 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 4:58 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-15 14:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 15:09 ` david
2008-07-15 16:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 16:21 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 17:56 ` david
2008-07-15 17:35 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-15 17:44 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 3:15 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 3:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 5:06 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-15 5:32 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 5:36 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-15 5:37 ` david
2008-07-16 0:10 ` Alexandre Oliva
2008-07-16 0:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 7:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 7:36 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 8:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 15:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 16:53 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 17:16 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2008-07-15 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 17:54 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 8:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-15 8:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-07-15 12:42 ` Alan Cox
2008-07-17 21:31 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 2:48 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 5:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-15 15:57 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 16:04 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-15 16:24 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 16:36 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 17:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-15 17:57 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 16:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 16:33 ` david
2008-07-15 16:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 17:25 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 17:36 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 19:22 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 16:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 16:48 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 17:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:26 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 16:37 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 18:05 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2008-07-15 18:14 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 18:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 18:37 ` Chris Friesen
2008-07-15 18:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 19:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:41 ` david
2008-07-15 19:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 20:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 20:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 23:02 ` Dave Jones
2008-07-15 23:46 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-16 0:00 ` Dave Jones
2008-07-16 0:10 ` Chris Adams
2008-07-16 6:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 19:07 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 19:29 ` Peter T. Breuer
2008-07-15 18:20 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 19:13 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 19:39 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 19:20 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 19:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:31 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 19:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:44 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 22:19 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-07-15 19:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:36 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 19:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 19:54 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 20:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 20:21 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 20:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 20:33 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 21:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 20:26 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 20:47 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-15 21:24 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-16 22:05 ` Diego Calleja
2008-07-15 21:27 ` david
2008-07-15 21:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-15 21:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 22:20 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-15 22:24 ` david
2008-07-15 22:26 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 22:50 ` david
2008-07-15 23:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-16 0:22 ` Frans Pop
2008-07-16 0:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-16 0:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-16 1:11 ` Prosaic firmware issues Alexey Dobriyan
2008-07-16 1:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-16 5:54 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-16 14:19 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2008-07-16 4:42 ` [GIT *] Allow request_firmware() to be satisfied from in-kernel, use it in more drivers Willy Tarreau
2008-09-12 20:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-09-12 21:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2008-07-16 0:51 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-16 1:36 ` Dave Jones
2008-07-16 2:39 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-16 3:07 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-07-16 9:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-15 19:57 ` David Woodhouse
2008-07-15 20:10 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 20:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-15 20:25 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 23:04 ` Dave Jones
2008-07-15 1:44 ` David Miller
2008-07-15 9:57 ` Marcel Holtmann
2008-07-15 1:45 ` Jeff Garzik
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