From: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, systemtap@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] systemtap: begin the process of using proper kernel APIs (part1: use kprobe symbol_name/offset instead of address)
Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:40:45 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <487E78ED.30804@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1216146802.3312.95.camel@localhost.localdomain>
James Bottomley wrote:
> One of the big nasties of systemtap is the way it tries to embed
> virtually the entirety of the kernel symbol table in the probe modules
> it constructs. This is highly undesirable because it represents a
> subversion of the kernel API to gain access to unexported symbols. At
> least for kprobes, the correct way to do this is to specify the probe
> point by symbol and offset.
>
> This patch converts systemtap to use the correct kprobe
> symbol_name/offset pair to identify the probe location.
Hi James,
I think your suggestion is a good step. Of course, it might
have to solve some issues.
Unfortunately, current kprobe's symbol_name interface is not
so clever. For example, if you specify a static function
which is defined at several places in the kernel(ex. do_open),
it always pick up the first one in kallsyms, even if systemtap
can find all of those functions.
(you can find many duplicated symbols in /proc/kallsyms)
So, we might better improve kallsyms to treat this case
and find what is a better way to specify symbols and addresses.
>
> This only represents a baby step: after this is done, there are at
> least three other consumers of the systemtap module relocation
> machinery:
>
> 1. unwind information. I think the consumers of this can be
> converted to use the arch specific unwinders that already exist
> within the kernel
> 2. systemtap specific functions that use kernel internals. This
> was things like get_cycles() but I think they all now use a
> sanctioned API ... need to check
Sure, those functions must be well isolated from other parts of kernel.
unfortunately, relayfs is not enough isolated. see below;
http://sources.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=6487
> 3. Access to unexported global variables used by the probes. This
> one is a bit tricky; the dwarf gives a probe the ability to
> access any variable available from the probed stack frame,
> including all globals. We could just make the globals off
> limits, but that weakens the value of the debugger.
> Alternatively, we could expand the kprobe API to allow probes
> access to named global variables (tricky to get right without
> effectively giving general symbol access). Thoughts?
Could we provide a separated GPL'd interface to access named global
symbols which is based on kallsyms?
Thank you,
> If you're going to try this out, you currently need to specify --kelf on
> the command line to tell systemtap to use the kernel elf to derive
> symbol names and offsets (it will just segfault without this ATM).
>
> James
--
Masami Hiramatsu
Software Engineer
Hitachi Computer Products (America) Inc.
Software Solutions Division
e-mail: mhiramat@redhat.com
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2008-07-15 18:33 [RFC] systemtap: begin the process of using proper kernel APIs (part1: use kprobe symbol_name/offset instead of address) James Bottomley
2008-07-16 22:40 ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]
2008-07-16 23:03 ` James Bottomley
2008-07-17 0:05 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-07-17 1:49 ` James Bottomley
2008-07-17 14:18 ` James Bottomley
2008-07-17 16:58 ` James Bottomley
2008-07-17 21:36 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-07-17 22:03 ` James Bottomley
2008-07-21 14:20 ` James Bottomley
[not found] ` <1216313914.5515.25.camel__21144.9282979176$1216314027$gmane$org@localhost.localdomain>
2008-07-17 18:30 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-17 20:12 ` James Bottomley
2008-07-17 20:26 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-17 21:06 ` James Bottomley
2008-07-17 21:33 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-17 22:03 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-07-22 18:00 ` Rik van Riel
2008-07-22 18:11 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-22 18:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <1216751477.7257.115.camel__19834.5970632092$1216751567$gmane$org@twins>
2008-07-22 18:48 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-23 15:04 ` systemtap & backward compatibility, was Re: [RFC] systemtap: begin the process of using proper kernel APIs Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-23 15:28 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-23 15:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-23 20:25 ` Masami Hiramatsu
[not found] ` <20080723082856.334f9c17__2909.60763018138$1216827051$gmane$org@infradead.org>
2008-07-23 16:41 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-23 16:54 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-07-23 17:34 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-23 18:40 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-07-23 22:12 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-07-18 9:11 ` [RFC] systemtap: begin the process of using proper kernel APIs (part1: use kprobe symbol_name/offset instead of address) Andi Kleen
2008-07-18 9:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-18 10:31 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-18 10:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-18 10:52 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-18 13:02 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-18 13:07 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-18 13:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-07-18 13:28 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-18 13:35 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-18 13:21 ` James Bottomley
2008-07-18 13:37 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
[not found] <1216146802.3312.95.camel__45052.4692344063$1216146917$gmane$org@localhost.localdomain>
2008-07-15 19:41 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-15 19:52 ` James Bottomley
2008-07-15 20:07 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-15 20:24 ` James Bottomley
2008-07-15 22:18 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-16 2:06 ` James Bottomley
2008-07-16 10:56 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-07-16 14:56 ` James Bottomley
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