From: Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@elte.hu,
Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Subject: Re: [patch 1/3] fastboot: Create a "asynchronous" initlevel
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:23:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4882E7F3.8060605@keyaccess.nl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080719084448.7859afd0@infradead.org>
On 19-07-08 17:44, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 10:10:09 +0200
> Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl> wrote:
>>> I'm not sure about this comment, being not very sure about the
>>> semantics of late_initcall but shouldn't late_initcall (level 7)
>>> wait for 6s to have completed?
>>
>> Following up on this myself -- see for example kernel/power/disk.c:
>> power_suspend(). It's a late intitcall so that, as it comments,
>> "all devices are discovered and initialized". However, your first
>> followup patch makes the USB HCI init async meaning that any USB
>> storage device might not be ready yet when it runs, no?
>
> good spotting/comment.
>
> you would have a valid point... if it weren't for the case where much
> of this actual "end device" probing is in various cases already
> asynchronous... what you do have found is a bug in the suspend code.
> Unless code does:
> /* wait for the known devices to complete their probing */
> while (driver_probe_done() != 0)
> msleep(100);
> (taken from init/do_mounts.c)
>
> ... the assertion in the comment that probing is done is absolutely
> false, with or without my patches.
Yes, I see. Unfortunately, WITH your patches, driver_probe_done() would
also no longer be safe when run from a late_initcall() it would appear.
driver_probe_done() tests a variable that's incremented just before the
driver model calls into the driver .probe method and decremented on
return from it (really_probe).
However, if the entire module_init() is async the probing may not even
have _started_ yet let alone finished. Let's take ehci_hcd_init() as an
example both since you changed that one and since it'll fairly often be
en route to mass storage devices.
Only after ehci_init() calls foo_register_driver() is the driver model
aware of it and will it start calling the probe methods meaning the
driver_probe_done() would be racing.
I have the sneaking suspicion that this is a bit of a fundamental issue.
Turning some of the driver level (6) async basicaly removes the ordering
between drivers and late_initcall (level 7).
I trust it will completely and utterly destroy the point of this patch
to flush level 6a before starting level 7?
> (Not that I want the suspend/resume code to call this, because that
> would make the boot even longer ;( )
Well, yes, but bugs are bugs. CCing Pavel and Rafael as well :-)
Rene.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-07-20 7:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-07-18 22:15 [patch 0/3] fastboot patches series 1 Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-18 22:16 ` [patch 1/3] fastboot: Create a "asynchronous" initlevel Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-19 1:22 ` Daniel Walker
2008-07-19 3:44 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-19 4:11 ` Daniel Walker
2008-07-19 4:58 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-19 5:20 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-19 15:24 ` Daniel Walker
2008-07-19 15:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-19 16:08 ` Daniel Walker
2008-07-19 16:14 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-19 4:28 ` Daniel Walker
2008-07-19 7:53 ` Rene Herman
2008-07-19 8:10 ` Rene Herman
2008-07-19 15:44 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-20 7:23 ` Rene Herman [this message]
2008-07-20 11:10 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-20 14:20 ` Rene Herman
2008-07-20 15:35 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-18 22:16 ` [patch 2/3] fastboot: turn the USB hostcontroller initcalls into async initcalls Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-18 22:17 ` [patch 3/3] fastboot: convert a few non-critical ACPI drivers to " Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-19 4:51 ` [patch 0/3] fastboot patches series 1 Simon Arlott
2008-07-19 5:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-19 5:47 ` Simon Arlott
2008-07-19 10:22 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-20 8:31 ` Ingo Molnar
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