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From: Andrea Righi <righi.andrea@gmail.com>
To: Hirokazu Takahashi <taka@valinux.co.jp>
Cc: dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com, xen-devel@lists.xensource.com,
	containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, dm-devel@redhat.com,
	agk@sourceware.org
Subject: Re: Too many I/O controller patches
Date: Tue,  5 Aug 2008 11:31:47 +0200 (MEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48981E03.5020406@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080805.151642.31467169.taka@valinux.co.jp>

Hirokazu Takahashi wrote:
> Hi, Andrea,
> 
> I'm working with Ryo on dm-ioband and other stuff.
> 
>>> On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 20:22 +0200, Andrea Righi wrote:
>>>> But I'm not yet convinced that limiting the IO writes at the device
>>>> mapper layer is the best solution. IMHO it would be better to throttle
>>>> applications' writes when they're dirtying pages in the page cache (the
>>>> io-throttle way), because when the IO requests arrive to the device
>>>> mapper it's too late (we would only have a lot of dirty pages that are
>>>> waiting to be flushed to the limited block devices, and maybe this could
>>>> lead to OOM conditions). IOW dm-ioband is doing this at the wrong level
>>>> (at least for my requirements). Ryo, correct me if I'm wrong or if I've
>>>> not understood the dm-ioband approach.
>>> The avoid-lots-of-page-dirtying problem sounds like a hard one.  But, if
>>> you look at this in combination with the memory controller, they would
>>> make a great team.
>>>
>>> The memory controller keeps you from dirtying more than your limit of
>>> pages (and pinning too much memory) even if the dm layer is doing the
>>> throttling and itself can't throttle the memory usage.
>> mmh... but in this way we would just move the OOM inside the cgroup,
>> that is a nice improvement, but the main problem is not resolved...
> 
> The concept of dm-ioband includes it should be used with cgroup memory
> controller as well as the bio cgroup. The memory controller is supposed
> to control memory allocation and dirty-page ratio inside each cgroup.
> 
> Some guys of cgroup memory controller team just started to implement
> the latter mechanism. They try to make each cgroup have a threshold
> to limit the number of dirty pages in the group.

Interesting, they also post a patch or RFC?

-Andrea

  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-05 11:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-04  8:51 [PATCH 0/7] I/O bandwidth controller and BIO tracking Ryo Tsuruta
2008-08-04  8:52 ` [PATCH 1/7] dm-ioband: Patch of device-mapper driver Ryo Tsuruta
2008-08-04  8:52   ` [PATCH 2/7] dm-ioband: Documentation of design overview, installation, command reference and examples Ryo Tsuruta
2008-08-04  8:57     ` [PATCH 3/7] bio-cgroup: Introduction Ryo Tsuruta
2008-08-04  8:57       ` [PATCH 4/7] bio-cgroup: Split the cgroup memory subsystem into two parts Ryo Tsuruta
2008-08-04  8:59         ` [PATCH 5/7] bio-cgroup: Remove a lot of ifdefs Ryo Tsuruta
2008-08-04  9:00           ` [PATCH 6/7] bio-cgroup: Implement the bio-cgroup Ryo Tsuruta
2008-08-04  9:01             ` [PATCH 7/7] bio-cgroup: Add a cgroup support to dm-ioband Ryo Tsuruta
2008-08-08  7:10             ` [PATCH 6/7] bio-cgroup: Implement the bio-cgroup Takuya Yoshikawa
2008-08-08  8:30               ` Ryo Tsuruta
2008-08-08  9:42                 ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2008-08-08 11:41                   ` Ryo Tsuruta
2008-08-05 10:25         ` [PATCH 4/7] bio-cgroup: Split the cgroup memory subsystem into two parts Andrea Righi
2008-08-05 10:35           ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-08-06  7:54         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-08-06 11:43           ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-08-06 13:45             ` kamezawa.hiroyu
2008-08-07  7:25               ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-08-07  8:21                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-08-07  8:45                   ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-08-04 17:20 ` Too many I/O controller patches Dave Hansen
2008-08-04 18:22   ` Andrea Righi
2008-08-04 19:02     ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-04 20:44       ` Andrea Righi
2008-08-04 20:50         ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-05  6:28           ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-08-05  5:55         ` Paul Menage
2008-08-05  6:03           ` Balbir Singh
2008-08-05  9:27           ` Andrea Righi
2008-08-05 16:25           ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-05  6:16         ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-08-05  9:31           ` Andrea Righi [this message]
2008-08-05 10:01             ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-08-05  2:50     ` Satoshi UCHIDA
2008-08-05  9:28       ` Andrea Righi
2008-08-05 13:17         ` Ryo Tsuruta
2008-08-05 16:20         ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-06  2:44           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-08-06  3:30             ` Balbir Singh
2008-08-06  6:48             ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-08-05 12:01       ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-08-04 18:34   ` Balbir Singh
2008-08-04 20:42     ` Andrea Righi
2008-08-06  1:13   ` RFC: I/O bandwidth controller (was Re: Too many I/O controller patches) Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-08-06  6:18     ` RFC: I/O bandwidth controller Ryo Tsuruta
2008-08-06  6:41       ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-08-06 15:48         ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-07  4:38           ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-08-06 16:42     ` RFC: I/O bandwidth controller (was Re: Too many I/O controller patches) Balbir Singh
2008-08-06 18:00       ` Dave Hansen
2008-08-07  2:44       ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-08-07  3:01       ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-08-08 11:39         ` RFC: I/O bandwidth controller Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-08-12  5:35           ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-08-06 19:37     ` RFC: I/O bandwidth controller (was Re: Too many I/O controller patches) Naveen Gupta
2008-08-07  8:30       ` RFC: I/O bandwidth controller Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-08-07 13:17       ` RFC: I/O bandwidth controller (was Re: Too many I/O controller patches) Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-08-11 18:18         ` Naveen Gupta
2008-08-11 16:35           ` David Collier-Brown
2008-08-07  7:46     ` Andrea Righi
2008-08-07 13:59       ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-08-11 20:52         ` Andrea Righi
     [not found]           ` <loom.20080812T071504-212@post.gmane.org>
2008-08-12 11:10             ` RFC: I/O bandwidth controller Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-08-12 12:55               ` Andrea Righi
2008-08-12 13:07                 ` Andrea Righi
2008-08-12 13:54                   ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-08-12 15:03                     ` James.Smart
2008-08-12 21:00                       ` Andrea Righi
2008-08-12 20:44                     ` Andrea Righi
2008-08-13  7:47                       ` Dong-Jae Kang
2008-08-13 17:56                         ` Andrea Righi
2008-08-14 11:18                 ` David Collier-Brown
2008-08-12 13:15               ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-08-13  6:23               ` 강동재
2008-08-08  6:21     ` Hirokazu Takahashi
2008-08-08  7:20       ` Ryo Tsuruta
2008-08-08  8:10         ` Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2008-08-08 10:05           ` Ryo Tsuruta
2008-08-08 14:31       ` Hirokazu Takahashi

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