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From: David Collier-Brown <davecb@sun.com>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: "Mihai Donțu" <mdontu@bitdefender.com>,
	"Adrian Bunk" <bunk@kernel.org>,
	tvrtko.ursulin@sophos.com, "Greg KH" <greg@kroah.com>,
	"Press, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Press@ca.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	malware-list@lists.printk.net
Subject: Re: [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon access scanning
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:11:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48A0649B.4010706@sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080811065608.44687f65@infradead.org>

Arjan van de Ven wrote:
>>>just to get things clear; yyou're [ talking about ...] detecting
>>>the presence and preventing to (accidental) use of pre-canned,
>>>widely used exploit binaries/files ?

Mihai Donțu <mdontu@bitdefender.com> wrote:
>>I apologize for the late reply. The answer to your question is: yes.
>>I was planning to write some more on this subject 

Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> we do still appreciate your description, since I don't think there's a
> clear "here's what we really try to protect against" statement yet.

  Perhaps I could try: the AV folks are trying to prevent the
execution of either modified normal binaries/files or 
specifically exploit binaries/files, by machines for which the 
files are executable or interpretable.

  The experience of those communities is predominantly
with DOS/Windows executables and interpretable files, which
they have difficulty generalizing from.

  In principle, they could be targeted at any machine, so any
mechanisms should be applicable to native executables and
interpretables as well as foreign ones.

--dave (who (in)famously wrote a UUCP virus, which warned sysadmins 
        if they had bad enough security settings to have run it as root) c-b
-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-11 20:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 220+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-04 21:00 [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface for on access scanning Eric Paris
2008-08-04 22:32 ` [malware-list] " Greg KH
2008-08-05  0:26   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-05  0:47     ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05  0:54       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-05  5:49         ` Kyle Moffett
2008-08-05 12:32           ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 11:31         ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 14:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-05 14:09             ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 17:58           ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-06  2:41         ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-06 18:04           ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-05  0:32   ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05  0:35     ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05  0:51     ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 11:23       ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 17:03         ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 18:56           ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 20:30             ` Greg KH
2008-08-06 18:49               ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 21:02                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 21:28                   ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 21:52                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-07 14:16                       ` Eric Paris
2008-08-07 21:55                         ` David Wagner
2008-08-08  2:06                         ` Rene Herman
2008-08-08  2:15                           ` Eric Paris
2008-08-08  2:55                             ` Rene Herman
2008-08-08 11:58                               ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-08 12:34                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-08-08 13:11                                   ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-08 13:43                                     ` Rene Herman
2008-08-05 11:25       ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 17:01         ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 20:36           ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 19:46       ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 20:15         ` Greg KH
2008-08-06  9:37           ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 15:25             ` Greg KH
2008-08-06 15:41               ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 16:03               ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06  9:28         ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-05 14:41     ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface foron " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 14:56       ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 16:37         ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 17:19           ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 17:38             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 17:29               ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 18:02                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 20:12                   ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 20:41                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 18:04               ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 18:11                 ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 18:38                   ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 18:54                     ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-05 20:37                       ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 21:14                         ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 21:23                           ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 21:42                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 21:44                             ` Greg KH
     [not found]                               ` <2629CC4E1D22A64593B02C43E855530303E21D47@USILMS12.ca.com>
2008-08-05 22:26                                 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro toalinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning Greg KH
2008-08-05 23:37                                   ` Al Viro
2008-08-05 23:48                                     ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 23:57                                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-06  0:11                                       ` Greg KH
2008-08-06  0:25                                         ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06  0:46                                           ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-06  1:44                                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-08 10:48                                               ` [malware-list] Threat model for Unix Computers Jörg Ostertag
2008-08-08 22:26                                                 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-09  1:21                                                 ` david
2008-08-09  1:44                                                 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-08-05 23:55                                 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro toalinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 10:25                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-05 21:45                             ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning Al Viro
2008-08-05 20:18                     ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon access scanning Greg KH
2008-08-05 20:28                       ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 20:51                         ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 21:08                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-06  0:51                     ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon " Rik van Riel
2008-08-06 12:10                       ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-06 12:38                         ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-06 13:11                           ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-06 13:49                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-06 13:55                               ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 14:11                                 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-06 14:20                                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-08-06 13:57                             ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-06 11:31                               ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interfaceforon " David Collier-Brown
2008-08-06 23:20                                 ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-06 13:44                         ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon " Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-06 14:16                           ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 14:23                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-06 15:22                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 15:54                               ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-07  9:28                             ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-07 14:21                               ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-07 14:31                                 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-08  0:05                                   ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-08  5:17                                     ` James Morris
2008-08-06 15:08                         ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 15:33                           ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-06 15:46                             ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-06 16:12                               ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 16:25                                 ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-06 18:06                                   ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 20:17                   ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interfaceforon " Alan Cox
2008-08-06  9:24                   ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 15:24                     ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 18:27                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 18:34                   ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 18:38                     ` Greg KH
2008-08-05 20:15                       ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-05 20:26                         ` Greg KH
2008-08-06 10:05                           ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 10:50                             ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-06 11:07                               ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 11:26                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-07  0:49                                   ` Mihai Donțu
2008-08-07  4:39                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-11 13:45                                       ` Mihai Donțu
2008-08-11 13:56                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-11 16:11                                           ` David Collier-Brown [this message]
2008-08-11 21:18                                             ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-11 22:09                                               ` David Wagner
2008-08-12  7:32                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-13 10:28                                               ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-13 10:46                                                 ` Press, Jonathan
2008-08-13 11:08                                                   ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-13 12:56                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-13 13:52                                                     ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-14 12:54                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-14 18:37                                                         ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon " Press, Jonathan
2008-08-14 22:39                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-15  0:00                                                             ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-15  0:43                                                               ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15  1:02                                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-15  3:00                                                                 ` Eric Paris
2008-08-15  5:22                                                                   ` david
2008-08-15  5:33                                                                     ` david
2008-08-15  5:38                                                                       ` david
2008-08-17 22:14                                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-17 22:12                                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-17 22:47                                                                     ` david
2008-08-17 22:58                                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-17 23:24                                                                         ` david
2008-08-18  0:00                                                                         ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-18  0:17                                                                           ` david
2008-08-18  0:31                                                                             ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-18  0:39                                                                               ` david
2008-08-18  0:42                                                                             ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-18  0:07                                                                         ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-19 10:41                                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-15  8:35                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-08-15 11:35                                                                   ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15 12:57                                                                     ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforonaccess scanning Press, Jonathan
2008-08-15 13:16                                                                       ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15 13:22                                                                         ` douglas.leeder
2008-08-15 13:28                                                                           ` douglas.leeder
2008-08-15 13:55                                                                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-15 14:19                                                                             ` douglas.leeder
2008-08-15 15:42                                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-08-17 22:10                                                                   ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to alinuxinterfaceforon access scanning Pavel Machek
2008-08-13 13:58                                                     ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon " Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-13 13:54                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-13 14:16                                                     ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-13 14:28                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-13 15:19                                                         ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-14 12:56                                                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-14 20:06                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-08-14 22:35                                                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-08-11 21:53                                             ` David Wagner
2008-08-11 21:45                                               ` Alan Cox
2008-08-14 10:48                                               ` David Collier-Brown
2008-08-06 15:00                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-08-06 15:17                             ` Greg KH
2008-08-06 15:22                               ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 20:38                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 20:54                           ` Eric Paris
2008-08-05 21:05                           ` Al Viro
2008-08-05 18:38                     ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interfaceforon " Arjan van de Ven
2008-08-05 18:39                   ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06  0:30                     ` Rik van Riel
2008-08-06  1:55                       ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06 11:40                     ` Sidebar to [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface for on " David Collier-Brown
2008-08-06  0:22                 ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interfaceforon " Rik van Riel
2008-08-06  0:53                   ` jmorris
2008-08-06  2:46       ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface foron " Andi Kleen
2008-08-06  8:39     ` [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linux interface for on " tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-05 11:21   ` Helge Hafting
2008-08-05 17:04     ` Greg KH
2008-08-05  2:49 ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-05  3:01   ` Cliffe
2008-08-05  3:44     ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-05  3:45       ` Cliffe
2008-08-05 20:56       ` Paul Moore
2008-08-06  3:00         ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-06 14:18           ` Paul Moore
2008-08-07  0:49             ` Casey Schaufler
2008-08-05  3:46     ` Greg KH
2008-08-05  3:58       ` Cliffe
2008-08-05 12:05         ` Peter Dolding
2008-08-05 12:22       ` Alan Cox
2008-08-05 18:08 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-06  9:44   ` [malware-list] " tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 11:10     ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-06 11:29       ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 16:57         ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-05 22:55 ` J. Bruce Fields
2008-08-06 10:09   ` [malware-list] " tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06 22:24     ` David Wagner
2008-08-07  0:04       ` James Morris
2008-08-07 10:30         ` Alan Cox
2008-08-07 11:19       ` tvrtko.ursulin
2008-08-06  2:35 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-06  3:43   ` Eric Paris
2008-08-06  3:52     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-06 22:04 ` David Wagner
2008-08-18 14:06 ` John Moser

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