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From: Takenori Nagano <t-nagano@ah.jp.nec.com>
To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au>,
	Jay Lan <jlan@sgi.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Stefan Richter <stefanr@s5r6.in-berlin.de>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	jmerkey@wolfmountaingroup.com,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Josh Boyer <jwboyer@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Bernhard Walle <bwalle@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Merkey's Kernel Debugger
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:12:07 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48A93CE7.3020301@ah.jp.nec.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080811130256.GB28030@redhat.com>

Vivek Goyal wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 08:03:03PM +0200, Andi Kleen wrote:
>>> Are you suggesting that kdump should be put onto panic_notifier_list, in
>>> such a way so that it runs last?
>> The point was that kernel debuggers have an at least as legitimate
>> need as kdump to run early on panic as kdump. In particularly they
>> should run before kdump because kdump can be triggered from
>> the debugger.
>>
> 
> Agreed.
> 
>> But for modular kernel debuggers the hook would need to be exported,
>> so in theory everyone could use it. In theory code review should
>> catch that. Another alternative would be to readd the old namespaces
>> patches I posted some time ago, this allowed to export symbols only
>> to specific modules (but that would be also unfortunate for out of tree
>> debuggers) 
>>
> 
> Or an easier way is that debuggers can put a breakpoint on panic().
> 
>> Since we have nearly all other needed hooks for kernel debuggers
>> anyways it doesn't really make sense to stop at panic. So this
>> earlier requirements should be relaxed.
>>
> 
> I think given that so many people want kdump on panic_notifier_list,
> it would be worthwhile to experiment with the different approach.
> 
> - Move kdump to panic_notifier_list.
> - Export panic_notifier_list to user space and provide flexibility
>   so that a user can change the priorities of registered handlers
>   dynamically.
> 
> This will allow an admin to explicitly see who all are goint to run
> in what order in case of panic and also give him capability that he
> can choose to change the order.
> 
> This kind of list should keep all the kind of users happy. Those who
> want to run all the other modules before kdump, they will be able to
> do so and those who don't want, they can boost the priority of kdump
> to put it ahead in the list.
> 
> I think Takenori had some working patches in the past for this. Probably
> time to revisit the patches. (Somebody willing to look into it?).
> 
> Thanks
> Vivek

Hi all,

These are my latest patches. Any comments are welcome.

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/909582
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/909581
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/909584
http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/909583

Thanks,
  Takenori Nagano

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-08-18  9:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-03 17:22 [ANNOUNCE] Merkey's Kernel Debugger jmerkey
     [not found] ` <17494.166.70.238.46.1217784156.squirrel@webmail.wolfmountaingroup.com >
2008-08-03 19:36   ` jmerkey
2008-08-03 20:00     ` Rene Herman
2008-08-04  0:14     ` Josh Boyer
2008-08-04  2:19       ` jmerkey
2008-08-04 13:41         ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-04 14:33           ` jmerkey
2008-08-05  9:41             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-08-05 15:02               ` jmerkey
2008-08-05 15:33                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-05 15:19                   ` jmerkey
2008-08-05 15:45                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-05 15:32                       ` jmerkey
2008-08-05 16:38                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-05 16:45                           ` jmerkey
2008-08-06 19:47                           ` Rene Herman
2008-08-05 16:04                     ` Chris Friesen
2008-08-05 16:39                       ` jmerkey
2008-08-07 20:43                         ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-08-07 21:02                           ` jmerkey
2008-08-07 21:04                             ` jmerkey
2008-08-05 17:21                     ` Paul Mundt
2008-08-05 17:10                       ` jmerkey
2008-08-06  3:08                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-06  5:50                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-07 17:45                       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-07 17:53                         ` jmerkey
2008-08-07 18:08                         ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-07 19:10                           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-08-07 19:47                             ` Jay Lan
2008-08-07 19:34                               ` jmerkey
2008-08-08  1:26                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2008-08-07 20:06                               ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-07 20:07                                 ` Bernhard Walle
2008-08-07 20:09                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-07 20:11                                     ` Bernhard Walle
2008-08-07 22:28                                 ` Keith Owens
2008-08-08  1:15                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2008-08-08  2:29                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-08 12:08                                       ` Cliff Wickman
2008-08-08 12:20                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-08 13:19                                           ` jmerkey
2008-08-08 15:06                                           ` Cliff Wickman
2008-08-08 13:29                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2008-08-08 14:50                                         ` Cliff Wickman
2008-08-08 16:57                                           ` Jay Lan
2008-08-11 12:56                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2008-08-08 18:03                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-11 13:02                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2008-08-11 13:11                                             ` jmerkey
2008-08-11 13:50                                               ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-11 16:16                                                 ` jmerkey
2008-08-18  9:12                                             ` Takenori Nagano [this message]
2008-08-08  8:40                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-06 13:11                     ` Bill Davidsen
2008-08-06 13:37                       ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-06 13:54                       ` Olivier Galibert
2008-08-06 13:45                         ` jmerkey
2008-08-06 14:16                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-08-06 17:21                     ` Jason Wessel
2008-08-06 18:57                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-07 12:45                         ` jmerkey
2008-08-07 15:17                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-08-07 16:07                           ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-07 15:52                             ` jmerkey
2008-08-07 17:04                               ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-08  0:28                           ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-11 10:36 ` jidong xiao

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