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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RESEND] char_dev: add cdev->release() and convert	cdev_alloc() to use it
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:55:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48B6E69B.1090800@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080828174807.GA18461@kroah.com>

Greg KH wrote:
>> The problem is not the device to talk to CUSE (/dev/cuse as in
>> /dev/fuse), for which module refcount and device refcount match fine.
>> But the whole point of CUSE is allowing CUSE clients to create arbitrary
>> character devices, so in addition to /dev/cuse which clients use to talk
>> to CUSE, CUSE hosts character devices for its clients and they come and
>> go dynamically and thus requires proper lifetime management.
> 
> That's fine, it's just like a USB device that uses a cdev, right?  Or a
> PCI device, or any other type of device that can come and go independant
> of the cdev or module lifespan.
> 
> So, you tie the cdev lifespan to the module lifespan with the
> MODULE_OWNER in the file operations.  As the cuse.ko module will own the
> cdev, it can handle that reference, and it can not be removed as long as
> userspace has the cdev open, right?
> 
> It really isn't any different from any other type of removable device
> (i.e. any type of device...)

Ah.. right, but taking cdev refcount out of the picture requires adding
'severing' operation on cdev f_ops, which certainly is doable but isn't
it just cleaner to make cdev follow the usual lifetime management rules?
 An object which is referenced counted requires ->release if it's gonna
be used in any non-simplistic way.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-28 17:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-28 16:36 [PATCH RESEND] char_dev: add cdev->release() and convert cdev_alloc() to use it Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 16:47 ` Greg KH
2008-08-28 16:56   ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:38     ` Greg KH
2008-08-28 17:44       ` Tejun Heo
2008-08-28 17:48         ` Greg KH
2008-08-28 17:55           ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2008-08-28 18:17             ` Greg KH
2008-11-13  8:58               ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                 ` <492136F5.8010903@kernel.org>
     [not found]                   ` <20081117171717.GB31306@kroah.com>
     [not found]                     ` <49221CE8.1050402@kernel.org>
2008-11-18  1:40                       ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-18 13:44                         ` Boaz Harrosh
2008-11-18 15:58                           ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-19 17:59                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-11-20  5:54                             ` Greg KH
2008-11-20  6:28                               ` Tejun Heo
2008-11-20 11:45                                 ` Tejun Heo

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