Merge multiproto tree

Merge multiproto tree

[Manu Abraham]

Hello Mauro,

Please pull from http://jusst.de/hg/multiproto_api_merge/
to merge the following Changesets from the multiproto tree.

8876
8875
8874
8873
8872
8871
8870
8869
8868
8867
8866
8865
8864
8863
8862
8861
8860
8859
8858
8857
8856
8855
8854
8853
8852
8851
8850
8849
8848
8847
8846

The tree is being pushed out, it might take a little while for the
repository to be populated due to the slow connect.

Regards,
Manu

Re: Merge multiproto tree

[Peter Zijlstra]

On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 15:59 +0400, Manu Abraham wrote:
> Hello Mauro,
> 
> Please pull from http://jusst.de/hg/multiproto_api_merge/
> to merge the following Changesets from the multiproto tree.
> 
> 8876
> 8875
> 8874
> 8873
> 8872
> 8871
> 8870
> 8869
> 8868
> 8867
> 8866
> 8865
> 8864
> 8863
> 8862
> 8861
> 8860
> 8859
> 8858
> 8857
> 8856
> 8855
> 8854
> 8853
> 8852
> 8851
> 8850
> 8849
> 8848
> 8847
> 8846
> 
> The tree is being pushed out, it might take a little while for the
> repository to be populated due to the slow connect.

This must absolutely be the least informative pull request ever!

Re: Merge multiproto tree

[Willy Tarreau]

On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 02:24:03PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 15:59 +0400, Manu Abraham wrote:
> > Hello Mauro,
> > 
> > Please pull from http://jusst.de/hg/multiproto_api_merge/
> > to merge the following Changesets from the multiproto tree.
> > 
> > 8876
> > 8875
> > 8874
> > 8873
> > 8872
> > 8871
> > 8870
> > 8869
> > 8868
> > 8867
> > 8866
> > 8865
> > 8864
> > 8863
> > 8862
> > 8861
> > 8860
> > 8859
> > 8858
> > 8857
> > 8856
> > 8855
> > 8854
> > 8853
> > 8852
> > 8851
> > 8850
> > 8849
> > 8848
> > 8847
> > 8846
> > 
> > The tree is being pushed out, it might take a little while for the
> > repository to be populated due to the slow connect.
> 
> This must absolutely be the least informative pull request ever!

Agreed. Hopefully Mauro knows what this is about!

Willy

Re: Merge multiproto tree

[Peter Zijlstra]

[dropped linux-dvb]

On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 14:24 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 15:59 +0400, Manu Abraham wrote:
> > Hello Mauro,
> > 
> > Please pull from http://jusst.de/hg/multiproto_api_merge/
> > to merge the following Changesets from the multiproto tree.

> > The tree is being pushed out, it might take a little while for the
> > repository to be populated due to the slow connect.
> 
> This must absolutely be the least informative pull request ever!

Also, this:

On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 14:24 +0200, linux-dvb-owner@linuxtv.org wrote:
> You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
> been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
> being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
> linux-dvb-owner@linuxtv.org.

Don't do that!

Re: [v4l-dvb-maintainer] Merge multiproto tree

[hermann pitton]

Hi,

Am Samstag, den 30.08.2008, 14:40 +0200 schrieb Peter Zijlstra:
> [dropped linux-dvb]
> 
> On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 14:24 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 15:59 +0400, Manu Abraham wrote:
> > > Hello Mauro,
> > > 
> > > Please pull from http://jusst.de/hg/multiproto_api_merge/
> > > to merge the following Changesets from the multiproto tree.
> 
> > > The tree is being pushed out, it might take a little while for the
> > > repository to be populated due to the slow connect.
> > 
> > This must absolutely be the least informative pull request ever!
> 
> Also, this:
> 
> On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 14:24 +0200, linux-dvb-owner@linuxtv.org wrote:
> > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
> > been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
> > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
> > linux-dvb-owner@linuxtv.org.
> 
> Don't do that!
> 

I still try to understand it until today too,

but the latter is only a simple notifier, that you are not subscribed
and has no further meanings.

Cheers,
Hermann

Re: [v4l-dvb-maintainer] Merge multiproto tree

[Peter Zijlstra]

On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 03:08 +0200, hermann pitton wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Am Samstag, den 30.08.2008, 14:40 +0200 schrieb Peter Zijlstra:
> > [dropped linux-dvb]
> > 
> > On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 14:24 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 15:59 +0400, Manu Abraham wrote:
> > > > Hello Mauro,
> > > > 
> > > > Please pull from http://jusst.de/hg/multiproto_api_merge/
> > > > to merge the following Changesets from the multiproto tree.
> > 
> > > > The tree is being pushed out, it might take a little while for the
> > > > repository to be populated due to the slow connect.
> > > 
> > > This must absolutely be the least informative pull request ever!
> > 
> > Also, this:
> > 
> > On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 14:24 +0200, linux-dvb-owner@linuxtv.org wrote:
> > > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
> > > been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
> > > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
> > > linux-dvb-owner@linuxtv.org.
> > 
> > Don't do that!
> > 
> 
> I still try to understand it until today too,
> 
> but the latter is only a simple notifier, that you are not subscribed
> and has no further meanings.

I know full well what that is. However,

Its rude to cross-post with a subscriber only list. Imagine everybody
doing it - you'd go mad with these stupid bounces.

Re: Merge multiproto tree

[Mauro Carvalho Chehab]

Hello, Manu,

On Sat, 30 Aug 2008, Manu Abraham wrote:

>  Hello Mauro,
>
>  Please pull from http://jusst.de/hg/multiproto_api_merge/
>  to merge the following Changesets from the multiproto tree.

The need for supporting newer DTV protocols increases day by day, since when
the first multiproto proposal started to be discussed, about two years ago.

At the end of the last year, Steven send one email to the ML with a different 
API proposal. Yet, people decided to wait for your work to be done. People then 
pinged you, from time to time, asking about the completion of multiproto. All 
the times, your answer were that multiproto were not ready yet for production.

I'm aware that your solution seems to be more code-complete than Steven's 
proposal.

But the recent activity on the mailing list regarding his idea (and its, 
so far, positive feedback) and the fact that I was anyway planning to 
have a discussion about the future of the DVB-API at the Linux Plumbers 
Conference 2008 are supporting me in my idea of post-poning such a pull to 
a point in time shortly after this event.

Cheers,
Mauro

Re: [linux-dvb] Merge multiproto tree

[Marcel Siegert]

hello mauro,

Mauro Carvalho Chehab schrieb:
> Hello, Manu,
> 
> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008, Manu Abraham wrote:
> 
>>  Hello Mauro,
>>
>>  Please pull from http://jusst.de/hg/multiproto_api_merge/
>>  to merge the following Changesets from the multiproto tree.
> 
> The need for supporting newer DTV protocols increases day by day, since when
> the first multiproto proposal started to be discussed, about two years ago.
> 
> At the end of the last year, Steven send one email to the ML with a different 
> API proposal. Yet, people decided to wait for your work to be done. People then 
> pinged you, from time to time, asking about the completion of multiproto. All 
> the times, your answer were that multiproto were not ready yet for production.
> 
how is the actual state of his proposal? 

> I'm aware that your solution seems to be more code-complete than Steven's 
> proposal.

> 
> But the recent activity on the mailing list regarding his idea (and its, 
> so far, positive feedback) and the fact that I was anyway planning to 
> have a discussion about the future of the DVB-API at the Linux Plumbers 
> Conference 2008 are supporting me in my idea of post-poning such a pull to 
> a point in time shortly after this event.
with whom? the linuxtv developers or with an attending audience?

i havent been on the list and that active since the "nearly two years war" begun,
thus i am not the one to ack or nack in this pull request.

what i did in the past was just watching what was happening and what was taking
progress - even if it is slow. 

users on the linuxtv list started to ask over and over again, when multiproto is
going to be merged. vdr started to support it in a kind of experiment.

due to the lack of spare time and devices :) i do not actually know how productive 
the vdr multiproto implementation is, but we should not start the whole discussions again.

if we do not merge multiproto now, we will never do it, i am afraid. 

for the future of this project it is more than neccessary to get some progress.

if there are no serious objections to multiproto, mauro, please pull/merge it 
within the next few days. to wait until the end of september is time spending without
any sense.

regards
marcel



 
> Cheers,
> Mauro
> 
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> 

Re: Merge multiproto tree

[Manu Abraham]

Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> Hello, Manu,
> 
> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008, Manu Abraham wrote:
> 
>>  Hello Mauro,
>>
>>  Please pull from http://jusst.de/hg/multiproto_api_merge/
>>  to merge the following Changesets from the multiproto tree.
> 
> The need for supporting newer DTV protocols increases day by day, since when
> the first multiproto proposal started to be discussed, about two years ago.
> 
> At the end of the last year, Steven send one email to the ML with a different 
> API proposal. Yet, people decided to wait for your work to be done. People then 
> pinged you, from time to time, asking about the completion of multiproto. All 
> the times, your answer were that multiproto were not ready yet for production.
> 
> I'm aware that your solution seems to be more code-complete than Steven's 
> proposal.

It's not my personal solution, it was contributed by many people. You
can read the details from the linux-dvb ML archives.

> But the recent activity on the mailing list regarding his idea (and its, 
> so far, positive feedback) and the fact that I was anyway planning to 
> have a discussion about the future of the DVB-API at the Linux Plumbers 
> Conference 2008 are supporting me in my idea of post-poning such a pull to 
> a point in time shortly after this event.

Something seems to be stinking. There is no reason to legitimately delay
so much. If the intention is for a merge, please do so within the next
few days.

Regards,
Manu

Re: [v4l-dvb-maintainer] Merge multiproto tree

[hermann pitton]

Am Montag, den 01.09.2008, 06:08 +0200 schrieb Peter Zijlstra:
> On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 03:08 +0200, hermann pitton wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Am Samstag, den 30.08.2008, 14:40 +0200 schrieb Peter Zijlstra:
> > > [dropped linux-dvb]
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 14:24 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > > On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 15:59 +0400, Manu Abraham wrote:
> > > > > Hello Mauro,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Please pull from http://jusst.de/hg/multiproto_api_merge/
> > > > > to merge the following Changesets from the multiproto tree.
> > > 
> > > > > The tree is being pushed out, it might take a little while for the
> > > > > repository to be populated due to the slow connect.
> > > > 
> > > > This must absolutely be the least informative pull request ever!
> > > 
> > > Also, this:
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 2008-08-30 at 14:24 +0200, linux-dvb-owner@linuxtv.org wrote:
> > > > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has
> > > > been automatically rejected.  If you think that your messages are
> > > > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at
> > > > linux-dvb-owner@linuxtv.org.
> > > 
> > > Don't do that!
> > > 
> > 
> > I still try to understand it until today too,
> > 
> > but the latter is only a simple notifier, that you are not subscribed
> > and has no further meanings.
> 
> I know full well what that is. However,
> 
> Its rude to cross-post with a subscriber only list. Imagine everybody
> doing it - you'd go mad with these stupid bounces.
> 

Why not going one step further then?

Every in kernel driver should have an open list.

I believe it can avoid a lot of troubles.

People can still decide to go private, but might think twice before
doing so.

Hermann