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From: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>
To: Martin Bligh <mbligh@google.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	od@novell.com, "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
	systemtap-ml <systemtap@sources.redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Unified tracing buffer
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:45:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48D7F5E8.3000705@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <33307c790809191433w246c0283l55a57c196664ce77@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Martin,

Martin Bligh wrote:
> During kernel summit and Plumbers conference, Linus and others
> expressed a desire for a unified
> tracing buffer system for multiple tracing applications (eg ftrace,
> lttng, systemtap, blktrace, etc) to use.
> This provides several advantages, including the ability to interleave
> data from multiple sources,
> not having to learn 200 different tools, duplicated code/effort, etc.
> 
> Several of us got together last night and tried to cut this down to
> the simplest usable system
> we could agree on (and nobody got hurt!). This will form version 1.
> I've sketched out a few
> enhancements we know that we want, but have agreed to leave these
> until version 2.
> The answer to most questions about the below is "yes we know, we'll
> fix that in version 2"
> (or 3). Simplicity was the rule ...
>
> Sketch of design.  Enjoy flaming me. Code will follow shortly.
>
>
> STORAGE
> -------
>
> We will support multiple buffers for different tracing systems, with
> separate names, event id spaces.
> Event ids are 16 bit, dynamically allocated.
> A "one line of text" print function will be provided for each event,
> or use the default (probably hex printf)
> Will provide a "flight data recorder" mode, and a "spool to disk" mode.
>
> Circular buffer per cpu, protected by per-cpu spinlock_irq
> Word aligned records.
> Variable record length, header will start with length record.
> Timestamps in fixed timebase, monotonically increasing (across all CPUs)

I agree to integrate tracing buffer mechanism, but I don't think
your proposal is the simplest one.

To simplify, I think the layered buffering mechanism is desirable.
- The lowest layer just provides named circular buffers(both per-cpu and
  uni-buffer in system) and read/write scheme.
- Next layer provides user/kernel interface including controls.
- Top layer defines packet(and event) formatting utilities.
- Additionally, it would better provide some library routines(timestamp,
  event-id synchronize, and so on).

Since this unified buffer is used from different kind of tracers/loggers,
I don't think all of them(and future tracers) want to be tied down by
"event-id"+"parameter" format.
So, Sorry, I disagree about that the tracing buffer defines its *data format*,
it's just overkill for me.

Thank you,


-- 
Masami Hiramatsu

Software Engineer
Hitachi Computer Products (America) Inc.
Software Solutions Division

e-mail: mhiramat@redhat.com


  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-22 19:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-19 21:33 Unified tracing buffer Martin Bligh
2008-09-19 21:42 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-09-19 21:57   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-19 22:41     ` Olaf Dabrunz
2008-09-19 22:19       ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-20  8:10         ` Olaf Dabrunz
2008-09-20  8:29         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 11:40           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20  8:26     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 11:44       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-19 22:28 ` Olaf Dabrunz
2008-09-19 22:09   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-19 23:18 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-09-20  8:50   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 13:37     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20 13:51       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 14:54         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-22 18:45           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-22 21:39             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  3:27               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20  0:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-22 14:07   ` K.Prasad
2008-09-22 14:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-22 16:29       ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-22 16:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-22 20:50           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23  3:05           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  2:49       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  5:25       ` Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23  9:31         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-23 18:13           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23 18:33             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-09-23 18:56               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23 13:50         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23 14:00         ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 17:55           ` K.Prasad
2008-09-23 18:27             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24  3:50           ` Tom Zanussi
2008-09-24  5:42             ` K.Prasad
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 0/8] current relay cleanup patchset Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 1/8] relay - Clean up relay_switch_subbuf() and make waking up consumers optional Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 2/8] relay - Make the relay sub-buffer switch code replaceable Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 3/8] relay - Add channel flags to relay, remove global callback param Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 4/8] relay - Add reserved param to switch-subbuf, in preparation for non-pad write/reserve Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 5/8] relay - Map the first sub-buffer at the end of the buffer, for temporary convenience Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 6/8] relay - Replace relay_reserve/relay_write with non-padded versions Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 7/8] relay - Remove padding-related code from relay_read()/relay_splice_read() et al Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:08             ` [RFC PATCH 8/8] relay - Clean up remaining padding-related junk Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23  5:27       ` [PATCH 1/3] relay - clean up subbuf switch Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23 20:15         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23  5:27       ` [PATCH 2/3] relay - make subbuf switch replaceable Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23 20:17         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23  5:27       ` [PATCH 3/3] relay - add channel flags Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23 20:20         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-24  3:57           ` Tom Zanussi
2008-09-20  0:26 ` Unified tracing buffer Marcel Holtmann
2008-09-20  9:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 13:55   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20 14:12     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-09-22 18:52       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-02 15:28         ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 16:11           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-03 18:37             ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 19:10               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-03 19:25                 ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 19:56                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-03 20:25                     ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 21:52                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-09-22  3:09     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-22  9:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-23  2:36     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-22 13:57 ` K.Prasad
2008-09-22 19:45 ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]
2008-09-22 20:13   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-22 22:25     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-22 23:11       ` Darren Hart
2008-09-23  0:04         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-22 23:16       ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23  0:05         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23  0:12           ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 14:49             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 15:04               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23 15:30                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 16:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23 17:04                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 17:30                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 18:59                         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 19:36                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 19:38                             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 19:41                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 19:50                                 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 20:03                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 21:02                                     ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 20:03                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 20:08                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 15:46               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  0:39           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  1:26             ` Roland Dreier
2008-09-23  1:39               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  2:02               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  2:26                 ` Darren Hart
2008-09-23  2:31                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  3:26               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  3:36                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  4:05                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  3:43                 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  4:10                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23  4:17                     ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 15:23                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 10:53                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  4:19                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23 14:12                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  2:30             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  3:06             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 14:36       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-23 15:02         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-09-23 15:21         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 17:59           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-23 18:28             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23  3:33 ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-23  3:47   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23  5:04     ` Andi Kleen

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