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From: Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>
To: Martin Bligh <mbligh@google.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@krystal.dyndns.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	od@novell.com, "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
	systemtap-ml <systemtap@sources.redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Unified tracing buffer
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:25:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48D81B5F.2030702@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <33307c790809221313s3532d851g7239c212bc72fe71@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Martin,

Martin Bligh wrote:
>> I agree to integrate tracing buffer mechanism, but I don't think
>> your proposal is the simplest one.
>>
>> To simplify, I think the layered buffering mechanism is desirable.
>> - The lowest layer just provides named circular buffers(both per-cpu and
>>  uni-buffer in system) and read/write scheme.
>> - Next layer provides user/kernel interface including controls.
>> - Top layer defines packet(and event) formatting utilities.
>> - Additionally, it would better provide some library routines(timestamp,
>>  event-id synchronize, and so on).
>>
>> Since this unified buffer is used from different kind of tracers/loggers,
>> I don't think all of them(and future tracers) want to be tied down by
>> "event-id"+"parameter" format.
>> So, Sorry, I disagree about that the tracing buffer defines its *data format*,
>> it's just overkill for me.
> 
> I think you're right that we can layer this, and we didn't make a particularly
> good job of splitting those things out. I'll try to pull together
> another revision
> to reflect this and other suggested changes.

I'm happy to hear that. :-)

> One thing that I think is still important is to have a unified timestamp
> mechanism on everything, so we can co-ordinate different things back
> together in userspace from different trace tools, so I intend to keep
> that at a lower level, but I think you're right that the event id, etc can
> move up into separate layers.

I'm not so sure that the unified 'timestamp' must be required by all tracers.
If you just need to merge and sort per-cpu data, you can use an atomic
sequential number for it.
IMHO, the unified 'timestamp' would better be an option, because some
architectures can't support it. I think preparing timestamp-callback
function will help us.

By the way, systemtap uses two modes;

- single-channel mode
 In this mode, all cpus share one buffer channel to write and read.
 each writer locks spinlock and write a probe-local data to buffer.

- per-cpu buffer mode
 In this mode, we use an atomic sequential number for ordering data. If
 user doesn't need it(because they have their own timestamps), they can
 choose not to use that seq-number.

Thank you,

-- 
Masami Hiramatsu

Software Engineer
Hitachi Computer Products (America) Inc.
Software Solutions Division

e-mail: mhiramat@redhat.com


  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-22 22:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-19 21:33 Unified tracing buffer Martin Bligh
2008-09-19 21:42 ` Randy Dunlap
2008-09-19 21:57   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-19 22:41     ` Olaf Dabrunz
2008-09-19 22:19       ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-20  8:10         ` Olaf Dabrunz
2008-09-20  8:29         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 11:40           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20  8:26     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 11:44       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-19 22:28 ` Olaf Dabrunz
2008-09-19 22:09   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-19 23:18 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-09-20  8:50   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 13:37     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20 13:51       ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 14:54         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-22 18:45           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-22 21:39             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  3:27               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20  0:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-22 14:07   ` K.Prasad
2008-09-22 14:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-22 16:29       ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-22 16:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-22 20:50           ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23  3:05           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  2:49       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  5:25       ` Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23  9:31         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-23 18:13           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23 18:33             ` Christoph Lameter
2008-09-23 18:56               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23 13:50         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23 14:00         ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 17:55           ` K.Prasad
2008-09-23 18:27             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-24  3:50           ` Tom Zanussi
2008-09-24  5:42             ` K.Prasad
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 0/8] current relay cleanup patchset Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 1/8] relay - Clean up relay_switch_subbuf() and make waking up consumers optional Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 2/8] relay - Make the relay sub-buffer switch code replaceable Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 3/8] relay - Add channel flags to relay, remove global callback param Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 4/8] relay - Add reserved param to switch-subbuf, in preparation for non-pad write/reserve Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 5/8] relay - Map the first sub-buffer at the end of the buffer, for temporary convenience Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 6/8] relay - Replace relay_reserve/relay_write with non-padded versions Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:07             ` [RFC PATCH 7/8] relay - Remove padding-related code from relay_read()/relay_splice_read() et al Tom Zanussi
2008-09-25  6:08             ` [RFC PATCH 8/8] relay - Clean up remaining padding-related junk Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23  5:27       ` [PATCH 1/3] relay - clean up subbuf switch Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23 20:15         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23  5:27       ` [PATCH 2/3] relay - make subbuf switch replaceable Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23 20:17         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-23  5:27       ` [PATCH 3/3] relay - add channel flags Tom Zanussi
2008-09-23 20:20         ` Andrew Morton
2008-09-24  3:57           ` Tom Zanussi
2008-09-20  0:26 ` Unified tracing buffer Marcel Holtmann
2008-09-20  9:03 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-20 13:55   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-20 14:12     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-09-22 18:52       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-02 15:28         ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 16:11           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-03 18:37             ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 19:10               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-03 19:25                 ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 19:56                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-10-03 20:25                     ` Jason Baron
2008-10-03 21:52                 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-09-22  3:09     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-22  9:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-09-23  2:36     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-22 13:57 ` K.Prasad
2008-09-22 19:45 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-22 20:13   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-22 22:25     ` Masami Hiramatsu [this message]
2008-09-22 23:11       ` Darren Hart
2008-09-23  0:04         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-22 23:16       ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23  0:05         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23  0:12           ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 14:49             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 15:04               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23 15:30                 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 16:01                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23 17:04                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 17:30                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 18:59                         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 19:36                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 19:38                             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 19:41                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 19:50                                 ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 20:03                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 21:02                                     ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 20:03                             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 20:08                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2008-09-23 15:46               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  0:39           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  1:26             ` Roland Dreier
2008-09-23  1:39               ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  2:02               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  2:26                 ` Darren Hart
2008-09-23  2:31                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  3:26               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  3:36                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  4:05                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23  3:43                 ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  4:10                   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23  4:17                     ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23 15:23                       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 10:53                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-09-23  4:19                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-09-23 14:12                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  2:30             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2008-09-23  3:06             ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 14:36       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-23 15:02         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2008-09-23 15:21         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2008-09-23 17:59           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-09-23 18:28             ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23  3:33 ` Andi Kleen
2008-09-23  3:47   ` Martin Bligh
2008-09-23  5:04     ` Andi Kleen

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