From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756021AbYIYVFI (ORCPT ); Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:05:08 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1754200AbYIYVEz (ORCPT ); Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:04:55 -0400 Received: from rgminet01.oracle.com ([148.87.113.118]:64503 "EHLO rgminet01.oracle.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753853AbYIYVEy (ORCPT ); Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:04:54 -0400 Message-ID: <48DBFCDD.5090908@oracle.com> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:04:29 -0700 From: Randy Dunlap Organization: Oracle Linux Engineering User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070801) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg KH CC: Paul Mundt , Parag Warudkar , Linus Torvalds , Andrew Morton , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andreas Gruenbacher , Jeff Mahoney Subject: Re: [patch 00/04] RFC: Staging tree (drivers/staging) References: <20080924230054.GA27730@suse.de> <20080925020608.GA13869@suse.de> <20080925052725.GA5739@linux-sh.org> <20080925074923.4845005b.randy.dunlap@oracle.com> <20080925105320.ef70065b.randy.dunlap@oracle.com> <20080925204800.GA11225@suse.de> In-Reply-To: <20080925204800.GA11225@suse.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAAAI= X-Whitelist: TRUE X-Whitelist: TRUE Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org >> ISTM that the real problems are (a) it's easier to introduce new staging/crap >> than it is to fix EXPERIMENTAL and (b) no one wants to try to fix EXPERIMENTAL. > > The whole EXPERIMENTAL issue hasn't come up in years, I'm supprised that > people even consider it a valid option these days. > > I'm all for fixing it up, but as Paul so well described, the code I'm > talking about is WAY worse than a mere "experimental" marking, it needs > to be explicitly pointed out that this is not even up to that level at > all. > > And as was also pointed out, the EXPERIMENTAL marking cleanup is totally > orthogonal to the main goal here, and that is getting code into the tree > that is not up to our "normal" merge quality levels, in order to get a > wider audience of users and developers working on it, and using it. > > Hey, if people want me to name it TAINT_GREGKH, I can do that, I thought > I was being nice by picking TAINT_CRAP... I don't disagree with the CRAP name... fwiw. I think that we have enough quality problems without adding crap. -- ~Randy