From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
Cc: Alok Kataria <akataria@vmware.com>,
Alok kataria <alokkataria1@gmail.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Yan Li <elliot.li.tech@gmail.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"joerg.roedel@amd.com" <joerg.roedel@amd.com>,
"rjmaomao@gmail.com" <rjmaomao@gmail.com>,
Yinghai Lu <yhlu.kernel@gmail.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Daniel Hecht <dhecht@vmware.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] VMware detection support for x86 and x86-64
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:59:53 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48DC09D9.7040204@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1222375694.27056.179.camel@bodhitayantram.eng.vmware.com>
Zachary Amsden wrote:
>
> The whole backdoor thing is also broken because it requires
> non-architectural side effects to operate (IN instructions can not
> arbitrarily change all GPRs). This can confuse applications which are
> very smart and try to single step over the instruction by emulating it,
> logging the port I/O, then restoring GPRs to the state before execution
> and writing the 1 register affected by the IN. Such clever debuggers
> and profiling tools have been written.
>
To be fair, SMM sometimes also play these kinds of games -- even though
it is equally frowned upon there.
However, it is the particular use of this for detection use that is
utterly damning. Using random I/O port probes for hardware detect
should have disappeared in the early 1990's, and it's really disturbing
that virtualization vendors -- not just VMWare -- are, in effect,
re-making all the mistakes hardware vendors did in the 1980's.
Fortunately, we can usually use DMI to bail us out. Just like we used
to look for magic strings in the VGA BIOS so we could figure out what
exact kind of SuperVGA card we have.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-09-25 22:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-02-21 11:32 [PATCH] X86: remove WARN_ON if MTRRs are all blank Joerg Roedel
2008-02-21 11:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-21 12:47 ` Joerg Roedel
2008-02-21 13:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-02-21 13:27 ` Joerg Roedel
2008-09-07 23:45 ` [PATCH 1/2] VMware detection support for x86 and x86-64 Yan Li
2008-09-08 0:36 ` David Dillow
2008-09-08 1:49 ` Yan Li
2008-09-08 14:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-09 0:20 ` Yan Li
2008-09-09 0:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-09 12:28 ` Yan Li
2008-09-09 20:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-16 13:32 ` Yan Li
2008-09-17 10:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-17 14:03 ` Yan Li
2008-09-17 14:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-09-17 15:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-24 12:22 ` [PATCH 1/2] VMware guest detection " Yan Li
2008-09-24 14:10 ` Cristi Magherusan
2008-09-24 14:23 ` Yan Li
2008-09-24 16:19 ` Alok kataria
2008-09-24 16:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-25 0:19 ` Yan Li
2008-09-25 0:15 ` Yan Li
2008-09-25 0:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-25 2:34 ` Yan Li
2008-09-24 18:13 ` Cristi Magherusan
2008-09-24 18:16 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-25 0:23 ` Yan Li
2008-09-25 1:28 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2008-09-24 16:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-25 0:32 ` Yan Li
2008-09-25 0:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-25 2:48 ` Yan Li
2008-09-25 9:56 ` David Sanders
2008-09-25 10:23 ` Yan Li
2008-09-25 2:23 ` Greg KH
2008-09-25 2:47 ` Yan Li
2008-09-25 2:55 ` Greg KH
2008-09-25 3:29 ` Yan Li
2008-09-25 4:54 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-25 12:56 ` Greg KH
2008-09-25 14:38 ` Yan Li
2008-09-25 2:28 ` [PATCH 1/2] VMware detection support " Alok kataria
2008-09-25 4:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-25 4:46 ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-25 4:54 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-25 5:02 ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-25 5:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-25 5:23 ` Alok Kataria
2008-09-25 5:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-25 8:45 ` Alan Cox
2008-09-25 20:48 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-09-25 21:59 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2008-09-25 22:20 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-09-25 22:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-26 12:27 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-09-26 12:47 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2008-09-26 13:22 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-09-26 17:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-10-03 14:12 ` Pavel Machek
2008-09-26 20:35 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-09-25 22:17 ` David Sanders
2008-09-07 23:47 ` [PATCH 2/2] avoid mtrr warning message when running as VMware guest Yan Li
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